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SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 09:40 AM
Ok I have a question for some of you guys. I have some nice Shotguns and handguns I am wanting to get rid of. Model 12's, 10mm ect ect But I am not sure what is requires for me to ship them.

I am thinking about posting here or other boards maybe even gunbroker if I need to but it sucks when you dont have many shipping options

I know they must go to a FFL if out of state, can I ship them and if I can how do I go about it. All we have in our town is USPS and Staples is a drop off center but I have been told that they wont take guns or ammo.
Closest UPS center I think is 30 to 40 miles away each way

I am wanting to sell some guns to move in a different direction any and all advice will be welcome
918v
03-30-2008, 09:55 AM
You can ship to a FFL, but the best way is to have a FFL ship to a FFL. That way neither will give you any grief. I have sold lot's of guns on Gunbroker and just charge $60 for shipping handguns and $30 for rifles. People will pay that kind of money.
layusn1
03-30-2008, 09:55 AM
They have to be sent by an FFL, as far as I know, drop it off with one, pay their fee and let them take care of it. Add it to the sale price of the firearm because it can easily run $45...at least around here.
918v
03-30-2008, 09:59 AM
They do not have to be sent by a FFL.
layusn1
03-30-2008, 10:26 AM
As far as I understand from the last time we spoke to the ATF if they are going interstate they do. We had problems trying to get a gun shipped within the same state here too. The FFL I used refused the shipment because it was not sent by an FFL...even though ATF rules say you can within the same state. I'm not sayin I am an ATF expert but thems the rules as I understand them.
918v
03-30-2008, 10:46 AM
You can ship the guns yourself. You CANNOT ship handguns via US Mail unless you are a FFL or fall under some exemption. Otherwise you can ship via Fedex or UPS.
MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Hey Swampmaster,

What are you selling? I'm in state, can do FTF.
Brass Nazi
03-30-2008, 01:47 PM
You can ship the guns yourself. You CANNOT ship handguns via US Mail unless you are a FFL or fall under some exemption. Otherwise you can ship via Fedex or UPS.


What 918v said is correct.

Fed Ex (and I believe UPS) has a policy that you have to ship a pistol overnight. This can be expensive. about $50.

Anyone may ship a gun to an FFL dealer. (make sure there are no state or local laws that prohibit this because it may be different were you live)

Make damn sure that if you ship a gun you ship it to an FFL dealer. Otherwise you are breaking the law and are in deep ****.
918v
03-30-2008, 02:25 PM
unless you are shipping to yourself.
Brass Nazi
03-30-2008, 02:30 PM
unless you are shipping to yourself.

Correct.
SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 02:42 PM
Hey Swampmaster,

What are you selling? I'm in state, can do FTF.

Not alot but I have a 1918,1925,1937 Winchester Model 12's,Remington SP10,Kimber Stainless target II 10mm,Kimber eclipse 10mm,S&W 1006 10mm, S&W 610 10mm,S&W 4506 45acp,Two Different Rem 700 in 223 with good scopes on both and who knows what else I have been cleaning out the safe and getting rid of stuff I dont play with and lookign for stuff that I can use
SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 02:43 PM
What 918v said is correct.

Fed Ex (and I believe UPS) has a policy that you have to ship a pistol overnight. This can be expensive. about $50.

Anyone may ship a gun to an FFL dealer. (make sure there are no state or local laws that prohibit this because it may be different were you live)

Make damn sure that if you ship a gun you ship it to an FFL dealer. Otherwise you are breaking the law and are in deep ****.


Stupid question does the box have to be marked with the contents?
Brass Nazi
03-30-2008, 02:49 PM
No but you must inform the shipping clerk that the box contains a firearm.
JLarsson
03-30-2008, 02:51 PM
Long guns may be mailed to (1) anyone in the same state who is not forbidden to receive such firearms, and (2) to an FFL-holder in any state. As 918v said, handguns are not mailable except by FFL-holders.

Couple of things that sometimes get in the way of this. Not all FFL-holders will accept shipments from non-FFL's, no matter the regs. That is their personal preference and they can require that. Also, some postal employees get a little wiggy when you bring a firearm in for shipment. I, a non-FFL, mailed a long gun this past week to an FFL-holder in another state. Our postmaster (she's a gem) looked up the relevant statutes, closed the book and said, "Okay". On the other hand, I recently had an FFL-holder tell me he couldn't mail a handgun, and after I pointed him to the regs he still insisted on using UPS. :rolleyes:

So you've been given a lot of good information here, but know that the ignorance of others can be a real issue.
layusn1
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Long guns may be mailed to (1) anyone in the same state who is not forbidden to receive such firearms, and (2) to an FFL-holder in any state. As 918v said, handguns are not mailable except by FFL-holders.

Thanks. I wasn't thinking about the long gun/handgun distinction. I would still suggest calling or contacting the FFL you are going to ship to because like I said, if the receiving FFL has a personal policy, for whatever reason, to not accept any type of firearm than according to the phone conversation I had with the ATF guy...they are within their rights. The only logical reason I can think of is professional courtesy...maybe? Maybe they figure if they make you send it via FFL then they are hooking up a peer with some cash. I dunno...either way, it was a huge PITA when the FFL here refused the shipment just because he could.

I though I heard that you actually are NOT, in any way, to mark on the outside the contents of any package containing a firearm?

So many misconceptions and half truths out there. JLarsson, thank you for posting that and clarifying. I apologize for anything that I posted that would be misleading, incorrect, or only partially correct.
MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 03:33 PM
No but you must inform the shipping clerk that the box contains a firearm.

Not completely true. If shipping common carrier, you don't have to disclose, under federal law, each shipper can have their own policy. If you have to file an insurance claim, you could have some problems.

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MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 03:36 PM
Not alot but I have a 1918,1925,1937 Winchester Model 12's,Remington SP10,Kimber Stainless target II 10mm,Kimber eclipse 10mm,S&W 1006 10mm, S&W 610 10mm,S&W 4506 45acp,Two Different Rem 700 in 223 with good scopes on both and who knows what else I have been cleaning out the safe and getting rid of stuff I dont play with and lookign for stuff that I can use

Model 12's, now you have me tempted.

You wouldn't happen to have a 700 in magnum length? I'm looking for one.
JLarsson
03-30-2008, 03:38 PM
Yeah - the line in that letter about "the shipper has the ability to require such notification" is the relevant part.

How else would they be able to require an "ORM-D" sticker on shipments of ammo if they didn't make you declare?
Brass Nazi
03-30-2008, 03:41 PM
I know that FedEX requires that you declare that the package contains a weapon.
MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeah - the line in that letter about "the shipper has the ability to require such notification" is the relevant part.

How else would they be able to require an "ORM-D" sticker on shipments of ammo if they didn't make you declare?

They cetainly have the right to make a policy, but for violating FedEx's or UPS's policy, they can't lock me up. Just like Notre Dame says, no carrying on campus, I'll be damned if I don't have a gun on me when I'm at a football game (The Indiana Code does NOT prohibit carrying at a college with a valid LTCH). I will comply with the relevent portions of Federal and state law, policies be damned.

Ammo is a little different. There is no surcharge for ammo (requiring it go overnight) like for handguns, so whether you declare it or not, the end result is the same.

I understand the shippers have problems with employees stealing handguns, hence why they now require them to go overnight.
918v
03-30-2008, 03:53 PM
I know that FedEX requires that you declare that the package contains a weapon.

They can require all they want. You won't be prosecuted for failing to fulfill their requirements. You will be prosecuted for violating the US Code. I don't tell them what's in the box,
Tailgunner
03-30-2008, 04:20 PM
Ref shipping ammo, the ORM-D sticker is a Federal (DOT) requirment, not a shippers requirment.
Other Regulated Material-Class D, Which not only includes ammo, but spray cans and such can NOT be shipped by air, but only via ground.

The receiving FFL MAY require that a firearm for transfer be shipped from another FFL, not as a matter of law, but as a matter of personal policy. This is to assure them (via another layer of paperwork) that the seller is properly identified VS just having a copy of someones drivers license
SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 05:04 PM
Model 12's, now you have me tempted.

You wouldn't happen to have a 700 in magnum length? I'm looking for one.


I am gettign tired of the Model 12's and have a nice Browning Gold that will do the same as the model 12's tryign to free up cash for other things i want.

I have got rid of most of my Remington 700's already and just have the two left I should keep one of them but I have a Colt 6724 that will do the same thing I would rather have the cash for ammo and bullets than extra guns I dont need
MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 05:26 PM
I am gettign tired of the Model 12's and have a nice Browning Gold that will do the same as the model 12's tryign to free up cash for other things i want.

I have got rid of most of my Remington 700's already and just have the two left I should keep one of them but I have a Colt 6724 that will do the same thing I would rather have the cash for ammo and bullets than extra guns I dont need

If you know of a 700 in magnum length FTF in IN, let me know. Caliber is unimportant, I'm going to burn it out and rebarrel it. That said, I'd like something on the .375 H&H, .300 H&H, .300 WM, .338WM, .300/.338 RUM case head.
SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 06:53 PM
If you know of a 700 in magnum length FTF in IN, let me know. Caliber is unimportant, I'm going to burn it out and rebarrel it. That said, I'd like something on the .375 H&H, .300 H&H, .300 WM, .338WM, .300/.338 RUM case head.

Hmm I wish I had know that a couple weeks ago as I just passed on a beautiful Rem 700 338 RUM engraved for 550.00
MakeMineaP99
03-30-2008, 07:08 PM
Does he still have it?
SWAMPMASTER
03-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Does he still have it?


Dont know he had it at the Indy show I was lookign for a 375 H&H and found the 338 rum instead I offered 500.00 and he refused so I passed he might still have it at the next show the end of May
scars
04-05-2008, 12:35 PM
Not alot but I have a 1918,1925,1937 Winchester Model 12's,Remington SP10,Kimber Stainless target II 10mm,Kimber eclipse 10mm,S&W 1006 10mm, S&W 610 10mm,S&W 4506 45acp,Two Different Rem 700 in 223 with good scopes on both and who knows what else I have been cleaning out the safe and getting rid of stuff I dont play with and lookign for stuff that I can use


What do you want for the Smith 1006 and the 610???? If you still have um