Remington SPS vs ADL

[BigSlick]

Which woulda ya keep if ya had ta choose ?

ADL, black phosphate stock finish, synthetic, all bone stock, never been fired wit a Tasco decent 3x9 (for a Tasco) scope with Leupold mount and rings

or

Bone stock NIB SPS in stainless/synthetic.

Both 30-06.

One's gonna go up for sale in the next couple three days.

I'm gonna use it for hunting and range workups, may shoot some paper, but, there are better calibers for just punchin holes

[MONTEGOD7SS]

I would go for the SPS, course I do have one. It is a SPS stainless in .30-06 and is definitely a shooter (one group .250".)

[BigSlick]

I was hopin you a talk me inta dat SPS, I gotta try out da load you had good results with. I a work up with your load as a destination an see how it go.

I looked da ADL over real good. Ain't a speck on it nowhere, clean as can be, luned up real nice an all clean.

SPS was a gift, so I'm leanin dat way. ADL was a payback from a bud what owed me some bucks for a too long a time.

ADL sure is clean, an I like da solid floorplate, SPS allow for/offer more stock options. I'm a check em out one more time then let one go. If my guitas was better I'd keep em both, but dat ain't an option, so I gotta choose.

[4eyes]

Barrel material in the ADL is not as good as in the BDL or SPS.

[BigSlick]

Barrel material in the ADL is not as good as in the BDL or SPS.
School me here 4eyes

[4eyes]

Might check with Remington for today's materials. 10-15 years past the ADL barrels had no chrome/nickel added to the steel in the barrels like the BDL. Thus a higher wear factor and faster throat errosion, and in my limiter experience with both models, ADLs were not quite as accurate. Plus, ADL stocks looked like they were made for K-Mart.

[CZ93X62]

Interesting info, 4E.

I would lean toward the SPS, also--assuming no known accuracy or portability advantage either way. I would also remove and retain the Leup base and rings from the ADL before disposing of it.

[BigSlick]

4eyes,

I took your advice an called Remington an asked about the difference in steels.

They say all current 700 series rifles, both stainless and blue are made from the exact same steel. The titanium and the extreme series is different. the titanium, is of course, titanium, the XCR is coated with some super duper coating that makes it impervious to everything ta hear them tell it.

I say, nope, I heard ADL barrel didn't have as much (or any) nickel/chrome added to the barrels to keep the price down. Fella I spoke with says they saved money on the ADL's by using the non-hinged floor plate and a different stock. The synthetic stocks on all Remingtons (made for them by contractors, some in house, some not) is the same. HS, Bell and Carlson and the versions available thru the custom shop or with the XB40's are all over the map on price and features.

ADL, BDL, CDL etc all Remington 'house brand' stocks are all the same. They can vary in the areas of cheek piece, front cap, carved designs, bedding, blocks etc. but the physical properties and resistance to adverse conditions are the same, because the same resin/polymer mix is used for all of them. Some are colored, some are shaped differently, all are the same stuff. Kinda like a Glock, a 2nd Gen 21 is hella different from a 3rd Gen 36, but both frames are the same from an ingredient/ratio standpoint.

Wood stocks are also all over the map on cost, which they try to buy/order all they will need to cover a model year. Some sell better than others, some don't sell for crap, so they buy x number of stocks, with the cost of each factored/averaged the same. The same stock cost is used for their numbers on a built rifle.

He says if you're lookin for nice wood, it's a LOT better to buy a rifle soon after it is introduced, as there are more available rifles to choose from. Near the end of the current years' offering, what's left is usually been picked over and they start going for less, sellin faster to those who could care less about how wood on a stock looks.

The current SPS stocks are the same as all the rest of the synthetic line, with 'cosmetic' external differences and additional bracing in the forearm to theoretically allow for easier bedding. He says all can be bedded properly, with or without the additional bracing, but it's cheaper for them to do a bed job in the custom shop if a customer orders one. Inital years of the SPS had stocks that were third party, made to Remington specs, with limited numbers of over moulded or textured versions.

The 710, 770 etc ain't the same animal as a 700. He says they were facing dealing with Howa, Marlin and Savage makin low end rifles priced where they couldn't touch the price and still use their conventional designs. They were either going to have to redesign the 700 entirely (wasn't gonna happen) or come up with a cheaper platform. The 710 and 770 are great for 90% of the use most customers will ever need a rifle for. The 700's are for those more "serious" about shooting or building rifles, or those who aren't as cost conscious. Says the days of seeing a 700 anything in Wally World is almost gone. Most of the big box stores want cheap, so they are working hard on doing combos in the 710/770 and a wider range of calibers/colors for the average hunter who uses his rifle once or twice a year at a low price.

He also said their custom shop can and will do you a full blown custom BR gun if ya have the bucks and the patience. They evidently have a good relationship with most of the industry and can source almost anything you want - if ya got the bucks.

I asked him what his favorite gun for whitetails was, he says he has a Winchester he got from his father back in the 70's that has been all he ever wanted or needed ;)

[4eyes]

Very interesting info to me. My info came from a similar call to a Remington CSR in the mid '90s about rifle barrels of the previous 10 years to present. Rem advert. brochures of that time specified the difference as one means to sell/differentiate BDL from ADL
Glad they have updated the barrel material quality to include all models.

[BigSlick]

Someone else call prolly get a third answer :dunno:

[MakeMineaP99]

I wouldn't surprise me if Remington went to one particular steel and it's probably poured to their spec. If you ask all the barrel maker's about steel, each one has his own opinion, just like # of grooves, barrel break in and so forth.

Honestly, shoot whatever one you keep. If it doesn't shoot, you know the boys at Shilen, get a blank and have it cut and chambered. It all depends on what you're looking to do. If all you'll be during is hunting whitetails in dense hardwoods up like up here, 4" @ 100 is fine. Out west y'all seem to shoot them farther, so probably 1-2" @ 100 would be better. A stock 700 should do that with Core-Lokt $20/box Rem and better with your loads. If it doesn't then start throwing money into it. Rifles are a lot like cars and you know how that goes.

[Brass Nazi]

That is some good information Slick.

[BigSlick]

He was also tellin me about da new X-Mark Pro trigger, as opposed to da last year an previous.

First ones adjust just like any other 700 trigger, new ones don't. First series not external adjustable, newer one is. Minimum pull weight 3 lbs - period, which means you can prolly swap a spring an drop it a little lower if ya want/need to. He was adamant about tellin me NO adjustment other than the external is to be performed by anyone except a authorized repair station, the factory, or a licensed, competent gunsmith.

I been lookin at low dollar replacements just so I a have an idea what to look at if the stock X-Mark trigger sucks. Some folks say they horrible, some folks love em, some folks don't know there are two different ones. All da folks I read about wit da new one say it's pretty good, at least huntin good an borderin on target good. All subjective, so who knows. :dunno:

Straight up side by side unadjusted, adl trigger feel a little better, stiffer, but it old school three screw style which I can fix in a jiffy ta be as good as it's gonna get. Most a da ones I done in da past turned out great (for my use/abilities).

We a see...