Gen 4 G17 first rounds

[helitack32f1]

Well I finally got to fire my new Gen 4. But first, I had to try out my 18 year old G23 due to the fact that I have put new Truglo TFO sights on it and changed my carry ammo about 4 months ago and have not been able to try it since then. The TFO sights are truly AMAZING! It is just stunning how bright they are outside in daylight. I fired 15 rounds through the G23 and was amazed at the accuracy and was happy I could actually hit what I was aiming at which was a 6 inch paper plate. The G23 has a trigger with serrations on it and they hurt greatly in just 15 rounds. Thankfully the G17 has a smooth trigger face.

Feeling I was on a roll I whipped out the Gen4 G17 and promptly missed the first two shots! I fired 50 rounds of American Eagle 115g and 10 rounds of Blaser 124g. and had no issues whatsoever. Initially I was shooting at 10 yards and once moved to 25 yards and got 8 of 10 rounds on the 6 inch plate. I was happy for just some breaking in shooting. I must find a way to shoot more! Anyway, so far I love the Gen4. But I still believe the G23 is the best ccw on the planet.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/Gen4MSRetc078.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/Gen4MSRetc081.jpg

[cohutt]

A finally for real Gen 4 picture, thanks.

I swear it looks like there is no front sight though.

[BigSlick]

Your factory ammo could be crap. It wouldn't be the first time, with American Eagle for certain.

You might give some thought to reloading your own ;)

Better ammo for less money all the way around.

The TFO sights are da bomb. Great sight picture and priced right to boot.

How do you like the back strap on the 4th Gen ?

[helitack32f1]

A finally for real Gen 4 picture, thanks.

I swear it looks like there is no front sight though.
Thank you for giving me a reason to post another pic! It does indeed have a front sight. I didn't realize that in the other picture. That is funny.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/Senna10bdayglock018.jpg

[helitack32f1]

Your factory ammo could be crap. It wouldn't be the first time, with American Eagle for certain.

You might give some thought to reloading your own ;)

Better ammo for less money all the way around.

The TFO sights are da bomb. Great sight picture and priced right to boot.

How do you like the back strap on the 4th Gen ?

There are not a lot options at the store yet but if I remember correctly it was the 124g Blaser ammo that I had missed with. I need to reload but after buying two pistols and an R/C helicopter in the last month I don't think my wife is really into seeing me spend the money to gear up for reloading just yet. Even if one of the guns was for her.

Still don't know about the back strap just yet. It is going to take a lot of shooting and experimenting to see what really works. Sitting at home I can acquire a very good, solid grip with the large back strap on that I couldn't really do without the back strap. Figuring it all out is half the fun!

And of course, more pics!

SF

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/Gen4MSRetc038.jpg

MEDIUM

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/CopyofGen4MSRetc037.jpg
LARGE
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/Gen4MSRetc036.jpg

[BigSlick]

I like the look of the SF.

As far as reloading costin ya money, take a couple minutes and find out just how much money you're really talkin :

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/cmps_index.php?pageid=calculators

You can pay for your gear in less time than you think, plus get better ammo, not hafta find a Wally World, or deal with crap ammo at sky high prices.

Just a thought ;)

[helitack32f1]

I like the look of the SF.

As far as reloading costin ya money, take a couple minutes and find out just how much money you're really talkin :

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/cmps_index.php?pageid=calculators

You can pay for your gear in less time than you think, plus get better ammo, not hafta find a Wally World, or deal with crap ammo at sky high prices.

Just a thought ;)

The SF is definitely the best looking and feeling. The medium is supposedly the same as other Glocks and the large is just plain ugly, even for a Glock but it gives more surface area to get a very solid grip on.

As for reloading, I forgot to mention the other factor:I am lazy! I do need to reload though. I have lots of collected brass and I even have 300 180g Gold Dot bullets for .40 that I have had for about 15 years. Should probably make use of them some day. My main point as far as cost would be the reloading rig itself. I would probably want a Dillon or such. Maybe this summer. Thanks for the calculator. I will have to put that to use as an excuse to start buying reloading stuff

[BigSlick]

Aftermarket barrel, Dillon 550, couple of moulds and a melt pot and you can recover the cost of all within 6 months - less if you shoot all the time

50 boxes down range, you saved all the money put out and everything from then on is money you can spend on the Mrs ;)

And how long would it really take to go thru 2500 rounds ? 3-4 trips to the range ?

[helitack32f1]

And how long would it really take to go thru 2500 rounds ? 3-4 trips to the range ?

Actually I don't think I have shot 2500 rounds in the last 20 years! Something else I need to work on, especially if I am going to eventually do GSSF. I do have a range about 10 or so miles away but am so far too cheap to pay to go.

[ButchG17]

........especially if I am going to eventually do GSSF.
Don't wait, just do it!

It's designed for new shooters and the range officers will help all they can.

[Blackdog]

Don't wait, just do it!

It's designed for new shooters and the range officers will help all they can.

+1

I shot my first GSSF match last summer. Lotsa fun, learned alot, and the RO's were great. A high percentage were newer shooters, with plenty of experienced folks learn from. Go for it.

[helitack32f1]

Don't wait, just do it!

It's designed for new shooters and the range officers will help all they can.

Well, here is what I had planned. First, join GSSF.(Done)

Second, Buy a Glock for competition through GSSF. (done, Gen4 G17)

Third, Join Glocktalk.com to network towards the goal of figuring out how to get a GSSF round in my area. (Joining GT impossible, not accomplished)

Fourth, Attend closest GSSF round, (too far away, Comes, mid-summer)

Fifth, Attend Glock armorers course (coming mid summer)

and sixth, help out with local GSSF round. (if one ever happens)

I am hoping to work my way through this list this summer and hopefully accomplish something, at least attending the GSSF round. You guys make me wish it was coming sooner! I must admit some trepidation toward my first competition though.:hypno:

[BigSlick]

Competition is a lotta fun.

All it takes is having a good attitude and being 100% safe. RO's and others will help tremendously, plus, you might win a free gun ;)

Worst case you shoot like crap, everyone does at one time or another, so nobody is gonna laugh at you.

Get out there and get with it, you'll find it isn't as scary as it sounds. PLUS, you can most likely scarf some kinda free brass outta the deal if ya help cleanup.

I don't have any idea where ya might use up some free extra brass though :whistling1:

[ButchG17]

Well, here is what I had planned. First, join GSSF.(Done)

Second, Buy a Glock for competition through GSSF. (done, Gen4 G17)
Perfect choice! (IMO)


Third, Join Glocktalk.com to network towards the goal of figuring out how to get a GSSF round in my area. (Joining GT impossible, not accomplished)
What's so hard about joining GlockTalk? Lots of people have done it.


Fourth, Attend closest GSSF round, (too far away, Comes, mid-summer)
The match is too far from where? What state are you in?

We have a group of shooters that get together and drive to matches. Last year we drove from Minnesota to matches in lots of places ranging from Missoula, Montana to Conyers, Georgia......sharing the cost and the driving makes it a lot easier!

Between here and GlockTalk, I bet you can find others near you that want to shoot too, and could share travel costs.

You have a good plan, go for it!

[helitack32f1]

What's so hard about joining GlockTalk? Lots of people have done it.
One would think so wouldn't you!? I registered. Waited for my confirmation Email. It never came. I am able to log in but cannot post. I have sent at least 20 emails to support including two nights where I sent 6 emails each night. No response. I have tried to reset passwords etc, which also means I should get an email response. None. Then after doing research I found out that this has been a problem since at least 2006! They even had a long running thread where people had registered under other screen names just so they could actually get on the site and then had to ask admin to change their screen names back to what they wanted. I find this to be extremely irritating and unacceptable. Did I mention frustrating? I think it has been at least three months now and still absolutely no response or confirmation email.



The match is too far from where? What state are you in?

I live in Washington and the nearest match is 168 miles away, in the middle of nowhere. I will probably go if my job plans allow but it is hard to justify hotel costs, travel etc if I must stay over night which is why I want to find out if establishing a round in my part of the state is a possibility. I do like your idea of carpooling and cost sharing though.

We have a group of shooters that get together and drive to matches. Last year we drove from Minnesota to matches in lots of places ranging from Missoula, Montana to Conyers, Georgia......sharing the cost and the driving makes it a lot easier!

Between here and GlockTalk, I bet you can find others near you that want to shoot too, and could share travel costs.

You have a good plan, go for it!
Thanks for the ideas and encouragement.

[alank2]

Hi,

By the way, you can replace that serrated target trigger on your G23 with a nice smooth one! www.glockparts.com (http://www.glockparts.com) has them. Easy to change. I always change out the serrated target trigger; I seriously dislike (as in hate) them.

Good luck!!

Alan

[helitack32f1]

Hi,

By the way, you can replace that serrated target trigger on your G23 with a nice smooth one! www.glockparts.com (http://www.glockparts.com) has them. Easy to change. I always change out the serrated target trigger; I seriously dislike (as in hate) them.

Good luck!!

Alan
Thanks for the info. It never even occurred to me to change it but that is mostly because I never even new Glocks had smooth triggers until I got my 2010 Glock Annual and saw them in pictures. I will have to give that a try.

[helitack32f1]

Well I got to put another 70 rounds through the Gen 4 17 today. I fired 50 rounds of 115 gr PMC Bronze ammo at 7 inch paper plates and did OK. Then I fired 10 rounds of 115 gr Blazer Brass and the group was about a third the size of the other groupings with the PMC ammo! This made me quite happy so I loaded another 10 rounds of Blazer and fired away. And promptly missed about 50% of the shots! So I quit. Clearly a lot more practice is in order.

One observation I made is that regardless of the endless number of dry firings I have done, when I actually fire real rounds it seems as though I forget anything about trigger pull I have worked on. I guess the hope is that it all comes automatically from muscle memory and maybe it is. I look forward to working on it. I can see improvements already in the groups.

For the record the Gen 4 worked flawlessly. The only weird thing is that with the Blazer ammo, each casing has a dark section on it as though that section got super-heated. It is only on one side of the shell and I have not seen anything like that before and it did not occur with the PMC ammo. I love the Gen4 but still feel way more comfortable firing the Glock 23 which has a way better trigger feel and just feels more "right" in my hand.

[Pitmaster]

I find that the first few shots I have to concentrate on exactly what I'm doing to get back in the groove. I was watching "Cowboys" last night. Jasmine Jessie (cowboy name) who is also a champion USPSA shooter said she starts every range practice with some basic drills to warm up. Draw and fire 1 shot. Then draw and fire 2 shots. The last was draw and fire 5 or 6 shots.

I usually start with 10 dry fire trigger pulls, followed by a mag or 2 of draw and fire 2 shots. I think I'll add the 2 shot drill.

[helitack32f1]

Thank you for the tips. This was the first time I actually did start with a couple of dry firings and that kinda helped but I still had the problem of forgetting what I had practiced when the gun actually goes bang, which it doesn't usually do when I am dry firing.:shock: It all boils down to a need for a place to shoot regularly and learn some better real world trigger control. My main desire is to shoot at a GSSF match this year so drawing and firing isn't necessary yet. Besides, all I have is an IWB holster.

[BigSlick]

Well I got to put another 70 rounds through the Gen 4 17 today. I fired 50 rounds of 115 gr PMC Bronze ammo at 7 inch paper plates and did OK. Then I fired 10 rounds of 115 gr Blazer Brass and the group was about a third the size of the other groupings with the PMC ammo! This made me quite happy so I loaded another 10 rounds of Blazer and fired away. And promptly missed about 50% of the shots! So I quit. Clearly a lot more practice is in order.

One observation I made is that regardless of the endless number of dry firings I have done, when I actually fire real rounds it seems as though I forget anything about trigger pull I have worked on. I guess the hope is that it all comes automatically from muscle memory and maybe it is. I look forward to working on it. I can see improvements already in the groups.

For the record the Gen 4 worked flawlessly. The only weird thing is that with the Blazer ammo, each casing has a dark section on it as though that section got super-heated. It is only on one side of the shell and I have not seen anything like that before and it did not occur with the PMC ammo. I love the Gen4 but still feel way more comfortable firing the Glock 23 which has a way better trigger feel and just feels more "right" in my hand.

When you say dark, is it multi colored too ? Like maybe some gold/blue/black as in scorched ?

If so, that's a clear indication the round didn't seal properly in the chamber when fired. TG does that with ultra soft loads in 45 ACP regularly.

Only way to prevent this from happening is bump the charge a little or seat the bullet a little deeper, anything to raise the pressure generated by the cartridge when fired.

Being factory, and the accuracy was crap with some of that box (case ?) I would chalk it up to poor QC at the factory.

A lot of folks think factory ammo is superior to handloads or reloads. In some cases it is, if proper care and due dilligence isn't taken when loading. In most cases though, it is rare to see scorched cases and inconsistent results. If the load isn't something your gun likes, they will all suck. If your gun does like the load, they will be accurate to the best of your abilities.

Some might say, the inconcistency is a fluke. I say it ain't - especially on budget ammo like Blazer or WWB. Premium ammo, maybe, but cheapo stuff, no way.

I'd say ya had a good day. You ran into a lousy batch of ammo. Good to see the Gen 4 ran flawlessly. I'm watching your results pretty close as I'm still not conviced one way or the other about the Gen 4 stuff.

Thanks for the update ;)

[helitack32f1]

When you say dark, is it multi colored too ? Like maybe some gold/blue/black as in scorched ?

If so, that's a clear indication the round didn't seal properly in the chamber when fired. TG does that with ultra soft loads in 45 ACP regularly.

Only way to prevent this from happening is bump the charge a little or seat the bullet a little deeper, anything to raise the pressure generated by the cartridge when fired.

Being factory, and the accuracy was crap with some of that box (case ?) I would chalk it up to poor QC at the factory.

A lot of folks think factory ammo is superior to handloads or reloads. In some cases it is, if proper care and due dilligence isn't taken when loading. In most cases though, it is rare to see scorched cases and inconsistent results. If the load isn't something your gun likes, they will all suck. If your gun does like the load, they will be accurate to the best of your abilities.

Some might say, the inconcistency is a fluke. I say it ain't - especially on budget ammo like Blazer or WWB. Premium ammo, maybe, but cheapo stuff, no way.

I'd say ya had a good day. You ran into a lousy batch of ammo. Good to see the Gen 4 ran flawlessly. I'm watching your results pretty close as I'm still not conviced one way or the other about the Gen 4 stuff.

Thanks for the update ;)

I would have to say that it is a multi-colored area on the cases. I suspected blow-by and even looked in the chamber to see if there was anything noticeable but it all looked OK. I will try and maybe post some pics tomorrow. I would have done it today but...I'm lazy.

As for the accuracy difference, I still suspect that the loose nut behind the grip is to blame. The initial accuracy of the Blazer Brass was stunning compared to the other cheap doo doo but I guess that could have been a fluke of my shooting abilities as well. It will all be a little more clear with some more shooting I suspect.

I do not really know what to think about all the supposed issues surrounding the Gen 4. I just got off that other Glock site and there are a lot of stories on there, usually about the G17 Gen4. I guess it is possible that some early guns have defectively strong springs and it was cured in later production guns but I just find it hard to believe. On the one hand you have all these guys claiming that every G17 IS or WILL fail and then you have Ed's public safety saying they have sold 200 and only one came back because of a complaint and when they shot that gun, it functioned flawlessly. Some guys are implying it will always FTE or FTF when using cheap 115 gr ammo yet most of what I have shot is just that.
I also find it hard to believe that Glock would just plop a spring in a gun and not thoroughly test it.

Now, can I honestly say there is a gigantic reason to buy a gen 4 over a gen 3 or 2? Not really, unless one of the Gen 4 updates is something a guy has been longing for or you just need the latest and greatest, like I do. Regardless of backstrap size, the grip of my old G23 still feels best.

Thanks for the info and Happy Shooting!

[helitack32f1]

Here are some photos depicting the discoloration of the Blazer Brass shells compared to the PMC cases.

In the photo of the plates, the top plate was kinda typical of the groups I got with the PMC. The second plate was my first group shot with the Blazer Brass. The bottom plate is the second group of Blazer Brass. It kinda irritated me.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/shells001.jpg

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[helitack32f1]

Just another observation about the Gen 4. With my Gen 2 G23 removal and replacing the slide could not be more simple or easy. With the Gen 4, the slide does not come off as easily and putting it back on sometimes seems impossible, at least until I read that it is much easier to put on if the firing pin is in the most forward (fired) position. Very strange.

[BigSlick]

The brass has a couple nicks in it.

Any idea what caused that ? Looks kinda like a gunked up size die or some crap finish in the chamber.

But, it could be from the ejction of the brass getting slapped by the slide.

The discoloration looks to be from a lack of a proper seal, but not as bad as many I've produced with too light loads.

Are PMC and Blazer brass the only brands of ammo you've sent thru it so far ?

[helitack32f1]

I am not not sure where the nicks are coming from. I will have to do a little looking to see if I can figure that out. I didn't even notice the nicks until I took the pics of the cases.
Also not sure of the source of the darkness on the cases. Everything looked uniform in the chamber as far as residue so it did not look obvious that it was blow by but that is the only thing I can think of. I have also fired regular aluminum Blazer 124g and American Eagle 115g as well as Blazer Brass and the PMC. I just keep buying the cheap stuff at the local store to get used to the gun.

[helitack32f1]

Just out of curiosity what would be considered high quality, store bought FMJ ammo? My next box to try is Speer Lawman 115 gr. They also have Magtech and something called "independence" which I have never heard of. And WWB. :blackdog:

[BigSlick]

Magtech is good brass all the way around IME

I don't have a real high opinion of any of store bought ammo except 'premium' SD stuff. Some is better than others of course, but, it all pretty much sucks.

As far as quality store bought ammo, I think WWB is OK for blasting or plinking ammo, but accuracy and consistency is gonna be hit or miss ( :rofl: ) no pun intended.

Speer Lawman isn't bad, but the brass is (sometimes) crap.

Remingtom is OK, but... just OK.

None of the major mfrs put a whole lot of QC into their bargain line of ammo. Most of it will shoot fine, but don't expect to be cuttin 2" groups with any of it consistently - if at all.

That, and the HUGE cost savings is why most of us reload.

Turning out consistent ammo is simple and quick, and doesn't require a trip to Wally World.

Hornady XTP, Speer Gold Dots, Winchester SXT (Ranger) are all good, as are Golden Sabres from Remington, but, most of these run in the neighborhood of a buck a round or more.

Tell ya what, you buy a press to get started with and I'll send ya some bullets to get going. One or two batches and you'll see your options open up exponentially and find out what your gun is really capable of.

PLUS, you can save enough shooting your own loads to recover the cost of equipment within a case or two easy.

Otherwise, I don't know what to suggest to get better results from ammo on the low end. You can maybe get lucky and find some your gun lkes, but it might take a small fortune and with lot variation and spotty availability, whatever success you find may not be consistent.

:dunno:

[helitack32f1]

Thanks for the info. I haven't tried Magtech yet. It is the cheapest at the one store though. I wish I could find a good source of Fiocchi. I have had good luck with their stuff, especially in .40 with Silvertip bullets. Relatively good price too.

I must admit, at the risk of being :36: that I am resisting reloading for my Gen 4 so far. I am somewhat bothered by the idea of killing my warranty by doing so, especially with it being a new generation of Glock and I currently don't feel like buying a new barrel to use lead yet either. If I do start reloading it will be for the .40 do to the fact that I have 300 Gold Dot bullets currently seeking a home. I have always been partial to Gold Dot bullets.

On a different note, has anyone had any experience with Winchester Ranger Subsonic Law Enforcement in .40 with 180g bullets? I was surprised to see them for sale at the gun shop the other day. Fairly inexpensive too.

[Spinnerblade]

Winchester Ranger sxt or t-series is the only premium defence ammo I buy, if it's available in the caliber I'm looking for.I like that it comes in 50 round boxes. It has shot accurately for me as well, and always has expanded in wet phone books.

I'm not shelling out big bucks for little 20 round boxes of ammo:), where's the crb smiley?

If you want, there are some fairly good videos on youtube about bullet testing. You could at least see some expanded bullets.

Just to clarify I've only used them in 9mm 124+p,127+p+, 147, and 45 230gr.Patrick

[helitack32f1]

Winchester Ranger sxt or t-series is the only premium defence ammo I buy, if it's available in the caliber I'm looking for.I like that it comes in 50 round boxes. It has shot accurately for me as well, and always has expanded in wet phone books.

I'm not shelling out big bucks for little 20 round boxes of ammo:), where's the crb smiley?

If you want, there are some fairly good videos on youtube about bullet testing. You could at least see some expanded bullets.

Just to clarify I've only used them in 9mm 124+p,127+p+, 147, and 45 230gr.Patrick
Thanks for the info.
I haven't really considered defense ammo yet for the G17. I have just been looking for quality FMJ stuff for hitting targets. For my .40 I found Fiocchi 155gr XTP hollow point rounds in a box o' 50. I haven't seen another box since I bought them but they shoot amazingly well, come in a box of 50 and have XTP bullets. I shoulda bought another couple of boxes.

I hate the fact that it seems necessary to package quality defense stuff in boxes of 20 and charge huge rates for it. I do want to try Critical Defense ammo though.

[BigSlick]

Critical Defense has been rumored to experience some light strike type failures lately. Others go bang every time with the same gun.

XTP anything is usually accurate as hell.

XTP's are just good bullets. They are uniform and boringly consistent. Not too too bad on price compared to some others.

When you do get into loading your own, XTP's are commonly available everywhere and Hornady also makes a HAP bullet, which is a very close copy that is a TC instead of a HP.

Great for range use, as they are accurate and consistent as well, and cost a LOT less than XTP's

Just something to keep in mind when you get to that point ;)

[helitack32f1]

Critical Defense has been rumored to experience some light strike type failures lately. Others go bang every time with the same gun.

XTP anything is usually accurate as hell.

XTP's are just good bullets. They are uniform and boringly consistent. Not too too bad on price compared to some others.

When you do get into loading your own, XTP's are commonly available everywhere and Hornady also makes a HAP bullet, which is a very close copy that is a TC instead of a HP.

Great for range use, as they are accurate and consistent as well, and cost a LOT less than XTP's

Just something to keep in mind when you get to that point ;)

I was impressed with the XTP's. I almost thought something was wrong with the gun considering how well I was able to shoot with them!:shock:

So I assume TC is truncated cone? How does that differ from HP? And thanks for the info.

[BigSlick]

I was impressed with the XTP's. I almost thought something was wrong with the gun considering how well I was able to shoot with them!:shock:

So I assume TC is truncated cone? How does that differ from HP? And thanks for the info.

Yes.

Similar to a HP, no hole. Some are encapsulated, some not, all feed very well, especially in .40 and 10mm

[Spinnerblade]

What a coincidence, I just picked up two boxes of Hornady XTP's yesterday for accuracy testing in my new to me G34. One box of 124gr and one 147gr. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

[jtrade]

How do you like the yellow front, green rear TruGlo TFOs??

Have been thinking about getting some for my XD but dunno about the different colors or going all green...

J

[helitack32f1]

How do you like the yellow front, green rear TruGlo TFOs??

Have been thinking about getting some for my XD but dunno about the different colors or going all green...

J

The green is the front sight and the Yellow are the rear sights.:grin:
I bought the yellow and green ones mostly because I had all green Trijicon sights on there for about 17 years and wanted to try something different. I like the idea of the different colors. The theory being that you can better differentiate front from rear sights in the dark and eyes are supposedly drawn to green so you always pick up the front sight immediately.

Anyway, I read a a lot about the TFO's before my purchase and there were some issues initially with the fiber optics falling out but hopefully that prob is fixed. The other thing I read was that with the yellow and green sights, the yellows are not nearly as bright as the Green front sight. I still have not decided if I like that. I would say the rear dots are half as bright as the front, green tritium. I am not sure of the reasons for this other than maybe it also aids in instantly picking up the front sight but mostly they remind me of how my Trijicon sights glowed after 18 years!

I was stunned at how bright the sights are in daylight and absolutely love them. They do shorten the sight radius somewhat and the other thing that annoys some people is that the TFO tritium does not come with a 10 year tritium warranty like I know Trijicon has as does Meprolight I believe. That is one reason I am somewhat spooked by the lack of brightness of the yellow. I will be a bit upset if they quit glowing about this time next year.

Soooo.... All that being said, would I buy them again? Absolutely.

[helitack32f1]

Well I guess it is time for my first anti-glock rant. Yesterday, I dismantled my Gen 4 17 to polish up some key parts. Now considering I have upwards of 130 total rounds :shock: through this gun, I wasn't surprised to find some wear but I am a little irritated that some parts were losing their plating already.

I have read similar posts on other sites where they stated that Glock just told them "Well, it won't affect the overall function of the gun". This begs the question: WHY PLATE THE PARTS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

Below are some photos of the affected parts. The part of the trigger bar that rubs against the connector was the worst and after the photos I actually pealed more plating off just to get rid of it. The plating was also coming off the part that deops and releases the striker. I can't think of it's name right now. It was also interesting to note the extent of wear on the locking block in various places where I am completely lacking wear on the 18 year old G23. Things like this make me ponder Ruger and new Taurus offerings even more. Rant over. For now.

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[helitack32f1]

So I take it no one else has plating issues?

[alank2]

Hi,

I've seen some plating flaking issues on the safety plunger before, and it seems like this comes up from time to time at glocktalk. I always wondered why they bother to plate the parts too.

One good thing is that internal parts are cheap and plentful, so if it were me, my first choice would be to get some flitz or mothersmag and just polish out the flaking if possible. If that doesn't work, I'd just buy replacements from www.glockparts.com

If you ship it to Glock with a note complaining, they would probably replace all internal parts, but the shipping cost to send it properly would be more than the replacement parts...

Good luck,

Alan

[BigSlick]

Nickel plating has a tendency to flake if it isn't applied to a properly prepped surface.

The plating flaking off won't affect function, but I agree, if you're gonna do a half assed job, why do it at all.

I have a 2nd gen G23 will well over 10k thru it and none if it looks like your pics.

Maybe Glock cheaped the Gen 4 guns out to be able to be low bidder on some contracts.

Will they never understand the general shooting public is their biggest customer over away and by far ?

And what the hell ever happened to a quality job well done ?

[helitack32f1]

I have read of plating coming off the frame rails but not the other parts. I peeled the majority of plating off the end of the trigger bar thingy and polished things up. I think now I will find a Glock 3.5 Lb connector. The box my gun came in says both 4.5 and 5.5 lbs on it so I really don't know what it has except that it is quite a bit heavier than my glock 23.

[helitack32f1]

Just had to mention my surprise at actually finding informative information on the Glock website acknowledging the existence of the Gen4 glocks! :shocking: Well done, now if they could only put it on the website instead of in a PDF file. Silly people.

The pdf has useful info that should be on the site for every one of their guns IMO.

http://www.glock.com/downloads/GLOCK_Gen4_en.pdf

[BigSlick]

Glock updated even one link on their website :yikes:

Miracles do happen ;)

[CZ93X62]

Heli--

With the round count on the G-4 17, you're barely even warmed up--let alone broken in. Keep running that Glock--you'll find that the "wear" you are concerned about is more of a "smoothing in" than a "wearing out".

My agency has Glock 22s (Gen 2) with 140K round counts plus. Armorers refit them every 10K rounds or so, though the recommended cycle is 2500 rounds. 2 of them have NEVER had a part replaced. The pistols just run and run without a blip on the screen.

[helitack32f1]

Thanks for the info. I am not so much worried that it is going to fail as I am irritated that they would go through the effort to plate something, only to have it wear off in 170 rounds. Doesn't make sense. My 18 year old G23 has no similar wear or flaking plating. Seems to me they could charge even less for the guns if they left the plating off and it also would not tarnish their reputation when it all falls off. That being said, I still love my Gen 4. Must acquire more!:woot_jump:

[nitesite]

I just picked up two boxes of Hornady XTP's yesterday for accuracy testing in my new to me G34. One box of 124gr and one 147gr. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

Please share. There's a G34 around here somewhere. Very interested in what you found!

[Spinnerblade]

Alas, I may have been a little to enthusiastic. Almost all my shooting(reloading) lately has been with rifles.

This may sound a little cheap, but I think I would rather stick with reloading the bulk hollow points for the 9mm. All I use them for is target shooting and practice. At the time I bought the XTP's I think I was doing a lot of shooting at long range and was looking for a very accurate long range load. I had a hard time getting anything to shoot as well as (or better than) regular old WWB 147gr HP's.

I went shooting today and shot the Glock 34 and the FN High-Power and I'm getting in the mood to do some more 9mm reloading. I have a couple of loads I like but, nothing really special. I would like to find a good load and crank out a thousand. I might see if I can find some bulk 147gr HP's.

Definitely not as easy as the 45 to find accurate loads.