FTO exhaustion

[blueline541]

I've been field training a new guy this past week and he is running me ragged. He has arrested five folks in the last two shifts (eights not twelves), and he stops so many cars I'm getting tennis elbow from hoping in and out of the vehicle. He's so new that off days depress him and he regularly declares he'd work for free.

Any of y'all remember those days?

[918v]

Yes. Today, for example I wanted to arrest three people but I couldn't find one, the second got arrested by local PD [and they beat the crap outa him :)], and my boss told me to hold off on the third until tommorrow.

[blueline541]

One of them was a drunk guy from Kentucky who happened to be a big time hillbilly and gay. It's a new combo for me, but, wow, he was funny.

[Anvil]

I made the scene on a DV tonight where the male was barricaded in the appartment behind a hollow core door and a lightweight officer kept trying to kick the door in to make the arrest but was bouncing off. I got there and opened the door after 3 donkey kicks. A 500 pound bed was moved to block the door and he was lying on the bed pretending to be asleep.

He claimed SHE moved the bed to block the door (she was in the living room and he was alone in the bedroom).

Kicking doors is FUN!

Yeah, I remember thinking I'd work for free. I get that same feeling when I get back in a car after vacation but I always meet some twit that makes me wish I was still on vacation.

[918v]

OK,

I need your opinion:

Subject addresses my coworker by her first name. She corrects him. I then correct him and tell him not to do it again. Ten days later he calls my coworker and begins with "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, (first name). It's meeeeeeeeeeeee, (subject). She gets offended and structures him over the phone. So I go to his house, toss it, and find some chicken**** contraband that can get him 6 months in prison if I make a big deal of it.

Should I? BTW, he's a violent SOB.

[Anvil]

OK,

I need your opinion:

Subject addresses my coworker by her first name. She corrects him. I then correct him and tell him not to do it again. Ten days later he calls my coworker and begins with "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, (first name). It's meeeeeeeeeeeee, (subject). She gets offended and structures him over the phone. So I go to his house, toss it, and find some chicken**** contraband that can get him 6 months in prison if I make a big deal of it.

Should I? BTW, he's a violent SOB.

Sorry, I'm not following what you're saying. He calls her? like on a phone? How did he get her number? She gets offended and "structures" him? I don't understand what you mean by that.

You go to his house? Did you get a call there? How do you articulate your probable cause for search? 6 months for chicken**** contraband? By this you mean misdemeanor charges right? I can't get prosecutors in Memphis to give more than time served at the first hearing for misdemeanor dope charges. Maybe you live in a better "judicially speaking" area than me.

[Anvil]

918v make your reply an arrest ticket narative.

[ISUSteve]

OK,

I need your opinion:

Subject addresses my coworker by her first name. She corrects him. I then correct him and tell him not to do it again. Ten days later he calls my coworker and begins with "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, (first name). It's meeeeeeeeeeeee, (subject). She gets offended and structures him over the phone. So I go to his house, toss it, and find some chicken**** contraband that can get him 6 months in prison if I make a big deal of it.

Should I? BTW, he's a violent SOB.

What reason did you go to his house and search? If it is because he made the phone call then that would be illegal. Also, someone getting beat does not deserve a smiley. Cops like you worry me.

[MakeMineaP99]

918v is a probation officer or similar, I believe his powers of search are more sweeping since he works with parolees and such.

[ISUSteve]

That would make for sense. I thought he was an LEO.

[DssG19]

That would make for sense. I thought he was an LEO.

parole/probation are sworn LE. If in fact the guy was on parole/probation depending on his search conditions that search would be legal. The way it's worded it sounds illegal as hell. Kinda like I'll fix your ass for disrespecting my partner.

[ISUSteve]

The way it's worded it sounds illegal as hell. Kinda like I'll fix your ass for disrespecting my partner.

Thats what I took out of it. But if hes a parole officer, well, those guys can do whatever they want.

[918v]

So what should I do?

What would you do?

[ISUSteve]

I'd say if you're not doing it out of revenge, go for it. If you're going to regret it tomorrow or next week, just let it be. If he is a violent SOB, he'll end up back in jail anyways.

[Anvil]

918v a parole officer? Oh, Well.... in THAT case....

In TN there is a condition of parole that waives the parolees 4th amendment rights. The parolee understands he has truncated rights and has limited expectation of privacy for the term that he's "on paper". 918v, your authority may be similar.

If it is then I would interpret the guys attitude toward authority as an invitation to search and the contraband as his request to violate his probation. I still wonder, Did your partner give her phone number to him in the course of her job for the completion of her duties or did she give him the number for personal reasons? Is she a big girl that can handle herself or does she need a big strong man like you to take care of her? Does she want you to "handle" this? If she isn't involved with him and he's testing her / you then help him go back to jail where he clearly belongs. Some people can't handle freedom.

Thats my take on this.

Oh, and if he's violent I wouldn't get too involved at his house. Where's your back up comming from? If you had to fight him, when would help arrive? I would explain to him that his behavior toward authority could result in you violating his probation/parole. If you're doing this to get back at him.... That's why there are parole officers. Paroled/ probationary criminals have to answer to someone for their behavior. In your position I'd charge him with the drugs. That said, in Memphis it usually takes a felony to violate probation.

[918v]

It's not that. Getting him in cuffs won't be an issue. I guess I'm asking what you guys feel disrespect is worth custody time wise. For example, if some pillar of the community mouthed off to you, and you were king of your area, how much time would you give him?

[Anvil]

It's not that. Getting him in cuffs won't be an issue. I guess I'm asking what you guys feel disrespect is worth custody time wise. For example, if some pillar of the community mouthed off to you, and you were king of your area, how much time would you give him?

Okay NOW you're asking the REAL question. Is disrespect worth an arrest? You bet your sweet ass! The law in TN for that is Disorderly Conduct. and that charge gets worn out! Once I made the scene of an ambulance call where a girl drown in her own bathtub. She had a seizure and slid under the water and died at 18. The family gave us tons of **** and I cried with them. Some situations you don't make an arrest no matter what.

What you're describing isn't one of those.

You've got someone just trying to test you. If you let him get away with testing you he'll buck up next time and he'll test his limits again and again.

Charge his ass and set the standard for what he can't do with you.

Alot of civillians don't grasp what a real criminal is and they put themselves in the place of the criminal thinking how they would feel if you "violated them". Assuming the search was legal, you knew what to do when you found his contraband, do it.

[918v]

You're absolutely right. He's testing me and her. I gave him too much credit for being stupid.

[DssG19]

You're walking a fine line here. I have ****head gangsters call me by my first name, muther **** me, **** the po-lice, call me every name in the book. I can't go and slap cuffs on all of them and go kicking down there door and search their residence for whatever, then charge them with it.
If you can't take verbal abuse you might be in the wrong business.

Again this is just my opinion. I work for the most liberal/hated department in the free world. If you're not a parole/probation officer conducting parole/probation searches, it's sounds like you're conducting an illegal search. You better watch yourself, someone like this could set you up (via hidden cameras/hidden microphones) and have your job and land yourself in federal prison. I have seen it done before. Does it suck? Hell yeah, but in this climate that we work in you gotta play by the rules, or as close to the rules as possible. Stepping that far out of bounds can cause huge headaches for you down the road.

[layusn1]

OK, I am a bit confused...reading 918v's post I assume this guy called her at work? Reading Anvil's post it sounds like he assumes he called her at someplace other than work? I was going along with he called her at work and disrespected her wishes as to how he was to address her, not he had some kind of in into her personal life and he disrespected her and now she needs someone to handle him for her. I reckon professionally she could probably handle him herself or she wouldn't be holding the position she does. Really, I guess I am just asking where this guy called her...

[918v]

To clarify, he did call her at work on her desk phone. He is a person subject to search/seizure 24/7. The search was legal.

I will never understand the stupidity of some of those guys. I guess I just have to accept it.

I had a similar incident last year. one of my peeps, who has a no alcohol condition, is standing on the corner with a 40oz in his hand, the gang unit drives by, so he flips them off. You can guess what happened next...

[layusn1]

They all got together for drinks and had a good laugh about it?

[918v]

The cops had a good laugh about it, I dunno about him.

Speaking of stupid, have you ever seen a dude with his gang name tattooed on his forehead? Now there's a winner right there.

[ISUSteve]

Ya gots ta sho yo lov

[TowsonTiger22]

Blood fo life, fo sho fo sho, Bloodimor Murdaland straight up yo

[Anvil]

Last week there were a couple of crackheads on a carwash lot where they are banned. They haven't been much trouble so I figure I'll just check them for warrants. One of them don't want to speak clearly and I have to ask him to speak up when giving his social, then he wants to mumble. He's sitting down and drinking a beer while I'm talking to him.

The other guy with him is 40 years old and when I asked him for his social he forgot.

They both wanted a break cause "they ain't doin nothing"... except trespassing where they are banned and public intoxication.... but they want a break... while disrespecting me and my partner.

That was just lack of respect for me and the law. I flipped into drill sargeant mode and off to jail we went! I asked the 40 year old for his social when we got to jail. He gave it. "How do you remember it now but not then?" He said he was just acting stupid... Some people need to go to jail intermittantly as a lifestyle.

[Pitmaster]

Last week there were a couple of crackheads on a carwash lot where they are banned. They haven't been much trouble so I figure I'll just check them for warrants. One of them don't want to speak clearly and I have to ask him to speak up when giving his social, then he wants to mumble. He's sitting down and drinking a beer while I'm talking to him.

The other guy with him is 40 years old and when I asked him for his social he forgot.

They both wanted a break cause "they ain't doin nothing"... except trespassing where they are banned and public intoxication.... but they want a break... while disrespecting me and my partner.

That was just lack of respect for me and the law. I flipped into drill sargeant mode and off to jail we went! I asked the 40 year old for his social when we got to jail. He gave it. "How do you remember it now but not then?" He said he was just acting stupid... Some people need to go to jail intermittantly as a lifestyle.

And we know their side of the story! I got hassled for doin' nuthin. Damn cops. Why's dey discriminatin me for. I's goin' to get me a torney and sues 'em. Jesse's mah 5th uncle twice removed on my daddy's side and Al's mah uncle free timess moved on me momma's side.

[918v]

Well, dude went to jail. He bitched a little, but he knew he had it commin'. His momma called and really flipped out. :)

[blueline541]

The new guy got his first cold corpse today. I threw him a pair of gloves and told him to help look her over and bag her up.

Only one of us was smiling.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

918v, If you wanna go ahead and pursue it go ahead, but don't admit to your supers the reason why you went over there in the first place. The other guy was right, ****head is testing the boundries.....