GP100 Cylinder Damage

[Crazy4nitro]

First of all I Have proof as to why you shouldn't laugh at Freakshow10MM for Breaking a Ruger.:prrr:

Although I believe this Might be an Isolated case but I dont think I'll be shooting anymore "Old" ammo that I have had lying around for many years. The Case below is from a partial box of CCI Aluminum Non-reloadable Lead .357's. The Case ruptured and Gas Cut my Cylinder. :hereyago: I knew something was up as Lots of Sparks flew out the barrel when fired:subgun:. The Case was Hard to extract which further indicated that something was up.

Oh well,I guess Off to Ruger it goes.

'Nitro

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[MakeMineaP99]

I'd go after CCI for defective ammo. I'm sure Ruger should take care of it, but CCI should be sending Ruger some $ for repair costs.

[918v]

Damn!

[MullahElRon]

<---Never understood the whole aluminum .357 Magnum thing. Or aluminum cases in general for that matter

[nitesite]

Man, I'm sure sorry to see that. What a pity. What a PITA.

I hope it's resolved real soon and to your complete satisfaction!

Keep us updated, will you?

[freakshow10mm]

First of all I Have proof as to why you shouldn't laugh at Freakshow10MM for Breaking a Ruger.:prrr:

Well, we know who the real men are around here. :lol: You ain't a man unless you break a Ruger.

[MakeMineaP99]

You ain't a man unless you break a Freedom Arms.

Fixed it for you.

[freakshow10mm]

I knew someone was going to bring that up.

Real men can't afford Freedom Arms. Just the rich men.

My gun dealer told me Freedom Arms guns are like a Ruger wearing body armor but with the finish and elegance of a Smith and Wesson.

[Steve Koski]

Come on. A little latex caulk and it's good as new.

[MullahElRon]

I been wastin' money on GE Silicone?

[Anvil]

I'd be mighty pissed off at CCI for that!

[MakeMineaP99]

I knew someone was going to bring that up.

Real men can't afford Freedom Arms. Just the rich men.

My gun dealer told me Freedom Arms guns are like a Ruger wearing body armor but with the finish and elegance of a Smith and Wesson.

No Freedom Arms here.

918v has a Freedom Arms and a SIG 210. Cops in CA must really be bringing in the big bucks.

[JLarsson]

Come on. A little latex caulk and it's good as new.

Isn't that where your first 2 kids came from? (Sorry, BP - couldn't resist)

[creekwalker]

That should not have happened. No way, no how. Make sure you save the rest of the CCI rounds as well as the box. Now you need to forward your inital information and or even your post to both Ruger and CCI. This is one repair or replacement that's not going to cost you anything. I'll be intresting in hearing who blames who on this one.
cw

[Crazy4nitro]

I'll Keep you all up to date with what happens. I might still have the Factory CCI Box,but I doubt it. We will see where it goes...

'Nitro

[MullahElRon]

I'm seeing Las Vegas era Elvis(w/cape) bein' attacked about the head and shoulders by a flyin' monkey or maybe a tactical duck. Better hang on to that one. Too bad it weren't a Jesus.

http://www.picvault.info/images/537072694_elvis%20in%20a%20cylinder.jpg

[JLarsson]

All I'm gettin' is Cinderella facing left (my left) and waving. Maybe she's waving to Elvis and the duck/monkey.

[Bush Pilot]

Clearly the Virgin Mary, watch the Mexicans line up for a looksie. Charge them 2 bucks a head, you'll have a new Ruger within 15 minutes.

[918v]

No Freedom Arms here.

918v has a Freedom Arms and a SIG 210. Cops in CA must really be bringing in the big bucks.

But I sold all my other **** and eat bologna sandwiches. At least I feel rich :sifone:

(24 hours of OT a month helps)

[918v]

My gun dealer told me Freedom Arms guns are like a Ruger wearing body armor but with the finish and elegance of a Smith and Wesson.

and the precision of a Kelby benchrest rig.

Seriously, the barrel/cylinder gap on my gun is between .001 and .002"

[MakeMineaP99]

How does a FA compare to a Korth?

[ISUSteve]

What is Korth? I've heard the name, but nothing about them. I know I don't like them. They're communist gun. Korth-North Korea Coincidence? I think not.

[JLarsson]

Korth? I thought they were German....

[918v]

It doesn't in the accuracy department:

http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/mar97FTmarchprice.html

http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/14_7/features/5019-1.html

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[freakshow10mm]

http://www.korthusa.com/start_en.htm

[MakeMineaP99]

Yep, the finest revolver money can buy. Starts at $5000+.

It has several unique features including an adjustible firing pin, trigger and automatic ejection. You hit the cylinder release, the cylinder swings out and automatically ejects its contents.

http://www.korthusa.com/revolver_en.htm#

[918v]

What is Korth? I've heard the name, but nothing about them. I know I don't like them. They're communist gun. Korth-North Korea Coincidence? I think not.

They're German. Their least expensive offering is $9600 right now. I saw one a few years ago. The cosmetics were on par with Freedom Arms, much better than even the finest Pythons built in the 50's. I'd say they are as nice as a Colt Shooting Masters.

FA guns are more accurate because the cylinder locks-up like a bank vault and each chamber is line bored with the barrel in place. Chamber runout is something like .001" at most, while your typical revolver can have as much as .010"

[MakeMineaP99]

10 thousands? That ridiculous!

[918v]

There was a NIB Korth Combat .357 4" on GB a couple of months ago for $5500. Should have jumped on that...

There's a Match 22LR over there right now for $9900. Get it before it disappears. The wait is something like 6 months if you wanna order one.

[MakeMineaP99]

There was a NIB Korth Combat .357 4" on GB a couple of months ago for $5500. Should have jumped on that...

There's a Match 22LR over there right now for $9900. Get it before it disappears. The wait is something like 6 months if you wanna order one.

Too rich for my blood. I'd rather blow $10,000 on a subgun or my long range project.

Besides, I never could shoot a revolver worth a damn and still can't.

You need a Korth to add to your FA and 210. ;)

[ISUSteve]

Auto ejection? Slick, but not 10K slick.

[918v]

Too rich for my blood. I'd rather blow $10,000 on a subgun or my long range project.

Besides, I never could shoot a revolver worth a damn and still can't.

You need a Korth to add to your FA and 210. ;)

Maybe one day, when if I win the lottery. I want a Korth 9mm revolver, but they quoted me $11000. Forget that!

[ten thumbs]

I'm seeing Las Vegas era Elvis(w/cape) bein' attacked about the head and shoulders by a flyin' monkey or maybe a tactical duck. Better hang on to that one. Too bad it weren't a Jesus.

http://www.picvault.info/images/537072694_elvis%20in%20a%20cylinder.jpg


Please place the Bong on the table and slowly back away :confused:


Nitro, rub a little dirt in it and fire for effect,hell it's a Ruger :subgun:

[Crazy4nitro]

Please place the Bong on the table and slowly back away :confused:


Nitro, rub a little dirt in it and fire for effect,hell it's a Ruger :subgun:


Dont kid yourself into thinking that I haven't shot it since I have noticed the Damage...I just won't be firing any SPANKER loads in that cylinder.

I'll be getting in Contact with Ruger probably Next week when I have time to Deal with it.

'Nitro

[MullahElRon]

Please place the Bong on the table and slowly back away :confused:


Hippies still usin' them stinky bacteria breedin' cesspools??

[ten thumbs]

Hippies still usin' them stinky bacteria breedin' cesspools??


Darned if I know. Just thought you might have had a little help with your "vision".

Only image I got was X-rated, and involved a female presidential candidate. :(

[JLarsson]

Darned if I know. Just thought you might have had a little help with your "vision".

Only image I got was X-rated, and involved a female presidential candidate. :(

Obama's a woman??? :eek:

[Crazy4nitro]

Obama's a woman??? :eek:

He didnt say it was President of the United States...:yikes:

'Nitro

[BigSlick]

Put some bondo in it an hit it wit a dowel wit some sandpaper wrapped wound it.

Dat's all Ruger gonna do anyway

Save ya some shippin :thumbsup:

[anyplainjoe]

it'll buff out!

[Crazy4nitro]

Contacted Ruger and they told me they wanted the Damaged case sent with the Gun and the fact that it's a Non-reloadable Aluminum case further solidfies that the gun wasnt damaged from abuse.

They said they fully stand behind their products and to give them 4-6 weeks of turnaround time.

'Nitro

[6920vincent]

I use to shoot CCI's in my dads GP100 back in the late 80's when I was in HS.

I had some CCI aluminum case ammo left over from back then when I got my new/used GP100 6" full lug revolver. (Didn't have all the reloading goodies for it yet.)

When I shot them at the range they seemed a lot hotter than I remembered with a huge fireball.

I wish I would have saved some so I could have chrono a few. The guy next to me at the range asked if I was shooting some hot reloads. I was thinking the same thing. The spent case seemed ok.

[Crazy4nitro]

Update:

I called Ruger Today and they told me the Gun was on the floor being repaired. I asked her how much the repair was going to cost. She said it the Gun was on the Floor being worked on without them calling me then it was free of Charge. She then Reminded me that Ruger Stands behind their products 100%.

'Nitro

[AlPackin]

that's a good thing seein that 3 of my 5 guns are Rugers

[creekwalker]

Great new's C4N, I'm glad Ruger's still the class act they've been in the past.

CW

[Anvil]

(24 hours of OT a month helps)



When I work crazy overtime , double double shifts per week, I feel exhausted!

A normal 8 hour day feels like a vacation!

On those double 16 hour days my uniform just feels like a dirty exoskeleton.



C4N, I'm proud to own a ruger.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

wouldnt JB weld work to fix that.....hehehehe

[ANeat]

Looking at the pics I dont see any way that a split case would cause the damage in the pic. If anything the sharp edge may have initiated the split.

Anyway glad to hear that Ruger is taking care of it

[918v]

When I work crazy overtime , double double shifts per week, I feel exhausted!

A normal 8 hour day feels like a vacation!

On those double 16 hour days my uniform just feels like a dirty exoskeleton.

I feel your pain. I worked a few of those 16 hour shifts back in the day. You have got to get out of that uniform and work plain clothes for a while. You won't wanna go back after that. Just think of it: M-F, holidays off, don't have to clean-up puke from the bcak seat of your car...

[Crazy4nitro]

Looking at the pics I dont see any way that a split case would cause the damage in the pic. If anything the sharp edge may have initiated the split.

Anyway glad to hear that Ruger is taking care of it

Well the Picture of the Case dont do Justice. But the Hole in the case near the Case web allowed Pressure and Heat to Flame Cut the cylinder. If you look at the Rim of the Shell it will look distorted. That is where the Gas was exiting Back and Hit the Case rim and removed Matl'. I can Fit a #50 drill bit in the hole which is .070"

'Nitro

[ANeat]

One split case aint gonna flame cut the metal like that, I wear the hell outa brass and have had my fair share of split cases in 357, 44 mag and 45acp. Never never had any gun damage from a split case. If the flame is gonna blow out the stainless cylinder it should have vaporised the aluminum case, or ever a brass case for that matter.

Something f-ed up that cylinder for sure but a split case aint the cause from my experience

[Crazy4nitro]

I have had Many Split Cases before also with no Damage. The only thing I can figure is that the Case failed in the web first then cracked as a result. The Pattern of Matl' missing on the case Matches the Cylinder Damage. The Fire in the case coming out at Probably 35,000 psi should have Plenty of Temperature and Pressure to Melt the Steel. ANeat I respect you alot and All Due respect,I know you Have Plenty (and WAY more Exp. in Firearms in General) But I can Assure you That the Case in my Photo Did in fact Cause the Damage. Either Way It's Good that My Gun is getting Fixed and Ruger is Taking care of me. I personally will not fire any Aluminum Cased Ammo in my guns anymore.
I'm Just Glad that the Daredevils that Reloaded a Berdan Aluminum Case and Steel Case didnt have Catastrophic Case Failure.

'Nitro

[ANeat]

Well all I can say is that there are many areas of exposed metal on a revlover that are exposed to the pressure and hot gases of a round going off. The cylinder itself, forcing cone, top strap. The inside of case itself is also exposed to the pressure every time a round is fired and does not melt down.

Myself I would lean towards a manufactures flaw or some problem with the integrity of the material they used for the cylinder. Im not sure if Ruger die casts the cylinders the same way they do the frames or not. If there was a void in the casting right under the surface that would yeild to the pressure and cause a case to blow out the case would mirror the flaw in the cylinder.

Im just throwing out ideas here, If a guy had the cylinder sectioned at the problem area and perhaps hardness tested it might give more clues.

The main thing is Ruger is taking care of it and no-one got hurt.....

[Washington,D.C.]

Looking at the pics I dont see any way that a split case would cause the damage in the pic. If anything the sharp edge may have initiated the split.

Anyway glad to hear that Ruger is taking care of it


I once saw super hot reloaded 9mm fired in a full auto Uzi. The ammo was loaded really hot but the guy had worked up and backrd off the load and figured he was okay. The temp changed and the chamber got dirty. Don't know if a bullet got stuck in the barrel firing fulll auto or not. It was clear after a case opened up in the chamber. It split the heavy Uzi bolt in two pieces down the middle and torched a whole bunch of the Uzi. The bolt wasn't a factory Uzi bolt but was an investment casting conversion bolt by Group Industries. I was surprised that 9mm at any loading would do that to a solid steel Uzi bolt. I think he was using 3N37 powder.

[Crazy4nitro]

OK,
The UPS Man Brought me a Small Lil Package today.
I sent it in on 4/09/08 and got it back today 5/6/08...Not Bad IMO.

They replaced the Cylinder free of Charge.

TY Ruger:thumbsup:
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I'm so happy to be re-united,now to find time to hit the range. Seems like it was gone forever when it's one of the Guns that ALWAYS goes to the Range with me.


'Nitro

[mbradst]

Congrats on getting the revolver back. I had an ammo can full of the aluminum CCI rounds given to me. They wouldn't cycle in the S&W 28-2 I used to own, so I put them on the shelf.

My younger brother was in town just back from Afghanistan and wanted to try out my SP-101. I remembered the ammo can full of CCI and gave them to him along with the Ruger. He and a friend of his went through all of them. There were at least 500-700 rounds! He said they were getting tired of shooting them by the end of the can. He also said that the rounds seemed pretty hot.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Any of you enterprising gents ever shot LeveRevolution through your GP100 or other revolver? Yes it's factory ammo obviously, but is loaded hot as a mofo and looks cool.

[ronterry]

Ruger is up there on my greatest list. I f'ed up the timing on my Ruger SRH (filed the wrong deal on the extractor, **** happens), anyways I wrote a nice little letter explaining my issues. I paid to send it there, and I swear that puppy was in my hands in under two weeks - free of charge.
Beretta is up there to! (Just have to tell someone this) I totally shot a tomcat into the ground. The damn slide, barrel, & grips where falling off. The last straw was when the trigger pin broke. All this inside of a week of buying it NIB. Come to find out I was using 32 H&R weight bullets (I think it was 100grs, and yea I know what I was doing, it's just I 500 on hand) in this little 32ACP gun, and the recoil was beating it to death (There's your problem!). Anywho, I send it in with a nice little letter, and wham I get a brand new gun in the mail :) Funny thing, there was a little card in the case that stated proper bullets weight to be used in this gun. (I want to say 70 something grs?) That was a little reloader friendly to say that :) They rock.