1911 went FA

[freakshow10mm]

Got that RIA of mine back from the smith. Heard some horror stories about him, but he's always done decent work. Well I'm not going to give him anything anymore.

Went for some range time tonight and shot the RIA since having the Kimber beavertail and internals installed from my Pro Carry. First shot I had hammer follow. Second and third shots were the same. Then the rest of the mag emptied in a burst. WTF?:yikes: Ran a second mag. First shot went ok. Second shot hammer follow. Third to seventh was a burst.

Took the gun apart. Doesn't look like he dressed anything, no marks on the hammer hooks or sear. WTF?

Now I gotta send it out to get worked over again. :banghead:

[Bush Pilot]

Cool, I've always wanted a full auto 1911, you aren't a Class 3 dealer are you?

[thorn]

I'd be pretty annoyed, too... if it's taking 2-3 shots to go FA then obviously the guy screwed up somehow.

;)

thorn

[freakshow10mm]

I still have the stock RIA internals. I might just reinstall those, but I'd have to bob the hammer to fit the beavertail. Get to try out my bench grinder.

[creekwalker]

I've had that happen to me with an old GI 1911 and an AR 15. the 1911 was old and worn and craked metal parts caught up to me. I didn't know the chump who asked me to test it for him knew it had a problem. Knocked his a** down afterwards.
The AR was an aftermarket a shop did for me as a match rifle. Trigger sear was set to light and suprised me and a bunch of people in a rifle course.

cw

[ANeat]

Freak if you would like to send me the hammer/sear and disconnecter Ill dress them up for ya. I cant guarantee perfection, you will have to check the final fit and perhaps tweak the spring but the hammer/sear/disconnecter will be right

[freakshow10mm]

Hell yeah! Send me your address and I'll have them out tomorrow.

[MakeMineaP99]

Damn, ANeat is really working that bridgeport over.

Remember, it's not Winchester, OH, but Winchester, OH (in my best Major Charles Emerson Winchester III voice). There's a difference. ;)

[Anvil]

Wow Aneat! Your the patron saint of GP!

[BigSlick]

Damn, hate ta see internals problems like dat.

Could be a host of things.

I would measure pin hole centers before I ground anything

I've seen one or two over the years where the pin hole locations were off from one gun to the next just enough to prevent the sear hooks from engagin properly.

Swap da guts back in ya Kimber just for grins an shoot it.

Dat a tell ya for sure if it a pin hole location problem or ya smith jus got a lil froggy wit da dremel

[4eyes]

Might try tightening up the sear/disconnector portion of the leaf spring before you get all froggy.

[ANeat]

Damn, ANeat is really working that bridgeport over.


No milling involved, I use the Power Custom fixture for trigger work.

Freak like others have mentioned it could be a host of other problems. Like Slick mentioned some of the less expensive "import" guns can have tolerence problems.

Me dressing the angles/polishing stuff will only guarantee that the individual arts are right.

You will have to sort out any other potential problems, adjust your springs.

Later Ill find a link but Brownells has a very good article on setting the sear/disconnecter/trigger spring in a 1911.

Any quality smith will test fire a weapon before returning it. That obviously didnt happen.................Unless you asked for the ClassIII trigger job..:animlol:

[freakshow10mm]

No, but always wanted to fire off a FA pistol, like a Beretta M93.

I've decided to gut the gun and sell off the slide, etc. I was planning to get a 10mm longslide for this and swap out uppers and ejectors as need be. I'm getting more into 10mm than 45, as I just have my G30 and this RIA. In the year and a half it was at the smith's, I didn't really miss it, so I can go without a .45 1911.

I'm going to build this up into a 6 inch longslide 10mm. I'm going to buy all the stuff and then send it off to a professional for proper fitting instead of the crackhead smith around here. The only things I'm keeping are the thumb safety and the beavertail. Everthing else is gutted and will be replaced. I'm very satisfied with the C&S Ultralight kit I have in my Kimber and think that is the way to go with this longslide project.

Adam, thanks for the offer to touch up the internals. I would have sent it, but I made the decision to move on and just use the RIA frame as the basis for my longslide. If you're bored this summer, hit me up and I'll give you some work.:animlol:

[918v]

No milling involved, I use the Power Custom fixture for trigger work.

Freak like others have mentioned it could be a host of other problems. Like Slick mentioned some of the less expensive "import" guns can have tolerence problems.

Me dressing the angles/polishing stuff will only guarantee that the individual arts are right.

You will have to sort out any other potential problems, adjust your springs.

Later Ill find a link but Brownells has a very good article on setting the sear/disconnecter/trigger spring in a 1911.

Any quality smith will test fire a weapon before returning it. That obviously didnt happen.................Unless you asked for the ClassIII trigger job..:animlol:

But if his pins are off, maybe he should send you the receiver as well? That way you can change the angle of engagement to compensate for the pins being off. You really need the receiver with long pins installed to see how the sear and hammer hooks mate, otherwise your effort will be wasted.

[ANeat]

But if his pins are off, maybe he should send you the receiver as well? That way you can change the angle of engagement to compensate for the pins being off. You really need the receiver with long pins installed to see how the sear and hammer hooks mate, otherwise your effort will be wasted.


That would be the ideal situation but I would need an FFL to do that. I used to do that years ago, FFL and everything. I just do things for friends and locals when needed. Slide work and anything non frame related is no problem. Shipping around the frame is the problem.

Dropping in a dressed up hammer and sear could possible cure his problem, I stated earlier that its no guarantee.


Freak if you were planning on buliding something I would just put the Rock Island back to original and sell it.
Start with a Caspian or Les Baer frame, at least an Essex.

Build up a gun on a Rock Island, it will always be a Rock Island

[Steve Koski]

Adam,

Who's the guy in your avatar? Your son?

Koski

[freakshow10mm]

Good point. I was trying to save on shipping and paperwork, but I'll start from scratch. I can get more money for a complete gun.

[ANeat]

Adam,

Who's the guy in your avatar? Your son?

Koski


:icon_bs: No its me:dita:

[ANeat]

Good point. I was trying to save on shipping and paperwork, but I'll start from scratch. I can get more money for a complete gun.


Freak a lot of guys have been down that same road, myself included. A few custom touches on the RIA is good experience and may increase the value a bit but there is a point of no return.

Some of it may be name recognition or some reputation of quality but some brands (caspian for example) have that rep for a reason.

Go put several hundred dollars in custom parts in an "off brand" frame and every time you pick it up you will regret it.

If you want to build up a gun to keep start with something you will want to keep.

Im not trying to preach to ya, just sharing my own experience

[blueline541]

A friend loaned me his newly acquired fancy Colt 1911 that had been all decked out from the factory. He had yet to shoot it and wanted me to run some through it and let him know how it did. It went FA three times and I promptly stopped shooting. I told him it was quite accurate in semi but had way too much climb in full auto. The phone went eerily quiet on his end.

[MullahElRon]

A mag with a just couple rounds is always prudent in a "worked on" 1911. I guess the chicks dig it. The ones that don't get shot anyways...

[CaptToyota]

Ideally the best route would be to have a the hammer, disconnect, and sear... likely the sear is not clearing the disconnect pads when the slide push the disconnect down.

You can look into the rear of the frame with the grip safe removed, and mainspring housing partially in place to hold leaf spring, then do a basic function test.. with trigger pulled, watch disconnect pads move sear...

Holding trigger, bring the slide back, and you will see the disconnect move down, and pass under the sear' legs... you will need a a slight clearance for the pads to pass under the legs with out drag. Polish the disconnect where the spring rests so it can glide up smoothly when trigger released.

[BigSlick]

Is it just me, or would anyone else crawl up dat 'smiths ass ?

[freakshow10mm]

I'm going to stomp a mudhole in his ass and walk it dry, but after I make a killing selling my bullets and ammo at his gunshow next weekend.

I took ANeat's advice and put the gun back original (thankfully I kept the parts) and put it up for sale. The gun with 5 mags sold tonight on Castboolits while I was at work. Good deal.

I'm building a 6 inch longslide 10mm with an extra 9x25 Dillon barrel. Caspian slide and frame, EB extrernals, C&S internals. You know, done proper. If I had the bankroll I'd get a Fusion 10mm longslide, but I gotta piece this gun together.

[ANeat]

I took ANeat's advice and put the gun back original (thankfully I kept the parts) and put it up for sale. The gun with 5 mags sold tonight on Castboolits while I was at work. Good deal.


Well good deal on sellin it so fast, You had a good price on it.

Shoulda offered the optional "full auto" package for an extra $500.00:sniper:


Mulla touched on it and its worth repeating, after workin on yer gun, just load 2 rounds in the mag a few times to test. mmmmkay

Like blueline mentioned the climb is pretty good on a suprise full auto 45

[freakshow10mm]

Tell me about it. 6rds in two seconds is awesome.

Selling it was easy. Quicker than I thought. I listed it, went to work and when I came back home I check to see if there were any questions about it. Someone on CB accepted my original price. I'm cool with it. It was one of those "well it's cheap and it's a .45 1911 so what the hell" purchases. Just a range queen. I ain't going to miss it.

[Warhorse]

What else would you expect from a 97 year old design? :sifone:

[jwp]

well it HAS worked for those 97 yrs w/o many complaints; bad gunsmithing caused the problem not browning's design

[Warhorse]

The point is that MANY brand new 1911's NEED gunsmithing, to meet todays expectations.