Ruger goes weird

[helitack32f1]

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

Not sure what I think of this yet. I have occasionally been fans of some of the Cooper inspired scout rifles but this just doesn't look right. A flash hider on a bolt gun? And IMO it would look better integrated with a black stock.

[Brass Nazi]

I like the laminated stock but that thing is butt ugly:doh:

A scout rifle is supposed to be light and handy and they put a big arsed magazine sticking out of the bottom instead of a smooth floorplate:doh:

The flash hider only adds useless weight:doh:

I do like the rugged sights and a good quality scope rail. A red dot would probably work better than a scout scope though.

[BigSlick]

:dontgetit:

I think I have to go sit down a minute, that rattled my senses

I like the idea of it... kinda... but did they have to put that big fat flash hider on it

Scout gun, 10 rnd mag in .308, all good... flash hider... :rofl:

And yes, it's ugly as they come

[Brass Nazi]

I bet the flash hider gets recalled before the scope mount and the sights.

[Brass Nazi]

I wouldn't mind having a set of quality sights like that on any of guns though.

[Brass Nazi]

Look at the stock, they use the tooling for their "compact" rifle which has a reduced LOP and made these stocks and added a spacer to their recoil pad.

[BigSlick]

I like the idea of it, a nice scout rig is handy as can be, but, that stock is too ugly for even me, and I like ugly (sometimes).

I bet they sell like crazy as every wannabe sniper on the planet is going to get one and someone will cobble a scope mount for a traditional eye relief scope.

If the stock was black (or almost anything else) and the flash hider was removable, I'd take a hard look at one, but, that laminate and big honkin chunk of metal out front would just bug me every time I saw it.

I could see going with a set of QRW's and all, but a IER in a .308 ?

I don't know...

Man, it's like a car wreck picture, it hurts to look, but you keep lookin because you can't believe the tragedy of what you're seeing

[Blackdog]

I don't think the flash hider is as ridiculous as y'all make it out to be. It's a defensive weapon. How may AR's have 'em? Secondly, the barrel is threaded. With all the chatter about cans, this seems appealing to some, no?

I like the removeable magazine. I suspect a lower capacity version will be available for a more convenient profile. I agree that the one in the pic looks awkward.

Finally, if you've never tried the scout optics configuration, you might be surprised by the utility of this setup. I'm not a fan of red dot's, but I have a low power intermediate eye relief scope, and I like it alot.

This one's an ugly rifle I think I could cuddle up to.

[BigSlick]

I didn't know the flash hider was removable.

That's a little better and the can possibilities do make it interesting.

I like a scout, I have one from another mfr and it is really handy for a brush gun.

I like IER scopes on a short gun too. I run a M8 FX II in a 2.5 fixed and it's all I've ever needed in that configuration.

I've just never warmed up to the gray laminate look, and maybe it's just the pic, they might look way better in person.

If it shoots, I could get used to it, but the flash hider would be off it before I left the parking lot where I bought it.

[Brass Nazi]

I bet they sell like crazy as every wannabe sniper on the planet is going to get one and someone will cobble a scope mount for a traditional eye relief scope.



A 7 pound sniper rifle with a stubby barrel?:doh:



Finally, if you've never tried the scout optics configuration, you might be surprised by the utility of this setup. I'm not a fan of red dot's, but I have a low power intermediate eye relief scope, and I like it alot.

This one's an ugly rifle I think I could cuddle up to.

I had a standard scope on a 1895 guide gun and hated it. I them installed a peep sight and like it much better, I have toyed with getting a scout rail and either a Loopy scout scope or a red dot. It would look like crap (especially with the red dot) but who cares.

I didn't know the flash hider was removable.



I've just never warmed up to the gray laminate look, and maybe it's just the pic, they might look way better in person.

If it shoots, I could get used to it, but the flash hider would be off it before I left the parking lot where I bought it.

A cap would look a lot better than the hider and would cut a good inch or two from the OAL.

The laminate would look better with a stainless rig. Laminate and matte black? Not so much.

Even with my criticism I admit it would make an incredible hog rifle.

[helitack32f1]

I too thought the magazine was a bit clunky and was happy to see that yes, a five rounder was available. I am intrigued by this gun. I love hunting with short rifles. Just not sure of the accuracy from a 16.5 inch barrel. Bet it's noisy.

Ruger has been busy with this, SR 556 uppers now available and an lcp with crimson trace included in the last couple of weeks. I am always interested to see what they pump out next!

[BigSlick]

I can see it even being a real nice coyote rig, just call em in with a tape and tear it up.

The mag feed is a handy thing for sure and I like short rifles.

A scout scope isn't on par with a conventional scope, but, it is a ton easier in some situations than open (or peep) sights.

I'm working on getting one mounted as we speak, just waiting on the QRW's to show up.

I'm going to keep my eyes open at the next show I make and look at one up close and personal.

I could see using a dot with it, or a reflex

Anyone have an idea what $995 Ruger MSRP translates to in street price at a dealer or a show ?

[cohutt]

Some old military bolt guns had flash hiders didn't they???

This one looks it is inspired by the Enfield No 5 Jungle Carbine

http://www.surplusrifle.com/no5/index.asp

[BigSlick]

Well I'll be.

It sure does look close

[cohutt]

Anyone have an idea what $995 Ruger MSRP translates to in street price at a dealer or a show ?

My FFL's distributor has M77s with msrp $963 listed at $632.

My 77/44 lists on Ruger's site @ $777; the distributor had it for $507.

[helitack32f1]

Comparing it to some of their similarly priced guns, my scientific wild arse guess would be around $700.

[BigSlick]

That's a lot of bang for the buck for $700 - if it shoots.

I read thru the details on the features tab.

The LOP on the stock will go out to 14.5 and it has built in ring mounts, even includes rings. Rear aperture is ghosted and the rail looks pretty sturdy.

The pic in the features detail showing the stock in a slightly different light makes the whole rig look a lot less gruesome.

I'm going to check one out if I run across it.

I don't need a .308, but would really like to see this in maybe a different caliber... a 22-250 would be interesting...

[helitack32f1]

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Gunsite.htm

Here is another look at it.

[BigSlick]

What a review.

Did any of you happen to check out the CQBSS scope in the gun blast review ? :whistling1:

[Dark Horse]

I dunno about this one. It has possibilities, but it looks almost cobbled together.

[BigSlick]

The first pic on the Ruger page does for sure, but check under 'Features' and click thru the details.

There are a couple of other pics that look better

[helitack32f1]

What a review.

Did any of you happen to check out the CQBSS scope in the gun blast review ? :whistling1:

Am I sensing sarcasm?:cheezy:

[BigSlick]

Maybe a little :supergrin:

The scope they used runs in the neighborhood of $3999

http://swfa.com/Leupold-Mark-8-CQBSS-Riflescopes-C3460.aspx

I know the guys at XS, I'm going to call em up tomorrow and see just what they thought of the Ruger Scout. ;)

[Rollis]

I, want one now.

[Warhorse]

It looks good to me!
I've been wanting to get into a .308 bolt gun.

I would likely consider getting one if the price is right, and five round mags were also available to make it legal in my state for hunting.

[BigSlick]

I, want one now.

If you get one I will too :supergrin:

[HotGuns]

995 bucks? I dont see what it could do that my Jungle Carbine Enfield couldn't for a lot cheaper.

[BigSlick]

995 bucks? I dont see what it could do that my Jungle Carbine Enfield couldn't for a lot cheaper.

Umm.... OK... how about shoot .308 and come with a lifetime warranty and include an XS Scout rail, built in ring base on the receiver (rings included) with an adjustable LOP stock ?

From a pull the trigger and get the job done standpoint, I agree with you, but this little rig does have some goodies in the mix.

$995 is MSRP, so street price will be cheaper by the time some of them get in the pipeline.

[creophus]

It's almost like an M14, but with a bolt action...what's up with that?

[helitack32f1]

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/the-rebirth-of-colonel-coopers-scout-rifle-video/7918/

Here are some more informative videos. The first one is a little more entertaining to me because it has interview segments with Jeff Cooper and info about the Steyr Scout Rifle which I have always admired. It is amazing how much more well integrated looking the Steyr is than the Ruger. When you see pics of the Ruger with it's 5 round magazine ya just have to wonder why it is so huge compared to the Steyr version. I also like how there is a place for a spare mag in the stock of the Steyr an d the integrated bipod. I do not like it's horrible price though. And it also looks as though the Ruger has a much smoother action.

I need to quit looking at this thing or I'll end up buying one.

[John]

i like it. i like flash hiders on guns

[Rollis]

Slick beleve me the gears are turning in my head. A buddy of mine had a flash supreser on a bolt action, .223, years ago. it was a Remmington of one flaver, or another.

[helitack32f1]

i like it. i like flash hiders on guns

I like gun hiders on flashers.:cheezy:

[BigSlick]

I believe you Rollis :thumbsup:

You get one and like it and I'm on it like white on rice.

It's just oddball enough to have that weirdness charm that attracts me to some guns

If it shoots, I could see picking one up just because it is unique. Even though this is a great idea, I don't think Ruger will make many of these, or for very long - but that's pure speculation.

Soon as they are no longer available, people will be looking for one everywhere.

Just like the PC4 and PC9. Both were a great idea in theory, but never sold in sufficient numbers to warrant continued manufacturing. Now *if* you can find one, bring your bucks and if you want to sell it, you can move it in a hurry.

I think this one might just turn out the same way.

It will never be a retirement level safe queen, but, it's a good idea for an all around rifle and sooner or later some are going to buy into it and like it. If this happens while they're still in production, they sell a lot of them. If not, it'll take the general buying public a couple or three years to even notice, then they'll be hard to find on the used market.

[Blackdog]

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=143&pictureid=1226

[John]

im thinking about putting a flash hider on a winchester 30 30 lol

[BigSlick]

I've got a lot of faith in Ruger from the stuff of theirs I've seen in the past.

Much of it isn't exactly fine craftsmanship but they do offer a lot of value for the bucks.

I'm not above shooting a gun without a pedigree and the one in the initial pic on their website isn't (hopefully) representative of every stock they will put out on these.

I'm liking the idea and you have to give em credit for trying to turn out a new gun that doesn't break the bank.

If it shoots, I'm willing to give it a chance, I just don't want to guinea pig it

[Rollis]

I, like the dark lamenet stock, and in hunting/tactical, situations that would be more desirable. If it had nice wood on it, nobody would want to take it out of the house.

[Rollis]

I did watch the vidio, and just felt sick see all that brass just lying around on the ground, with no one giving it any love.

[helitack32f1]

On another note, Ruger has sent out emails for the last two days that imply some major announcement coming up for Monday, Jan. 3rd. todays reads:

"Ruger has undoubtedly created the next firearm you absolutely must have!"

Tells me to go to Ruger.com at 2:00 pm on Monday. It will be interesting to see what they think I absolutely must have. My guess is a modernized M1 Garand that shoots caseless ammo.:grin:

[Brass Nazi]

That would be awesome. Except for one thing, how do you reload caseless ammunition?

[helitack32f1]

That would be awesome. Except for one thing, how do you reload caseless ammunition?

I forgot to mention it can shoot regular "old style" ammo as well. It also comes with a kit that includes some baking tins in the form of bullet cases, kinda like cupcake baking tins, a recipe and an industrial grade mixer for making large batches. All ya gotta do is mix up a batch in the mixer, pour it into the tins, place bullets in the proper spot and bake for twenty minutes. They are also working on an adapter for the Easy Bake oven so you can put kids to work making ammo in a pinch.

For those who don't like to bake they will also offer a convenient ammo subscription where you get 1000 rnds every two weeks for just $25 a month.

[Brass Nazi]

. They are also working on an adapter for the Easy Bake oven so you can put kids to work making ammo in a pinch.



Is that the LEE version?

[copdills]

I liked it until I saw the Price LOL:whistling1:

[creekwalker]

It look's like the same design flash suppressor Ruger's used on the LE Mini 14, so if it's threaded onto the barrel you can replace it with a nicer design or even better a can. FWIW putting a M-14 flash suppressor on this rifle would improve it's apperance a lot...hmmm.
Oh and as to how it'd be better than a No.5 Enfield, well, no being kicked by a mule each shot, wandering zero problems cease, a proper rail for extended eye relief scope's and a stabilized stock. Yes. I own a No. 5 Enfield.

[Rollis]

1000 rounds a month, for $25.00, a month, sign me up.

[CZ93X62]

The flash hider is superfluous, but the rig doesn't really put me off--esp. with a shorter 5-round mag. I'm guessing here from the mag box length that they are single-column form. Kind of a useful and utilitarian truck rifle, with a touch more class than my M-44 Romo. I doubt that I'd ever scope anything like this, but having the option to do so conventionally is a large plus in its favor. IER isn't my thing at all.

[BigSlick]

On another note, Ruger has sent out emails for the last two days that imply some major announcement coming up for Monday, Jan. 3rd. todays reads:

"Ruger has undoubtedly created the next firearm you absolutely must have!"

Tells me to go to Ruger.com at 2:00 pm on Monday. It will be interesting to see what they think I absolutely must have. My guess is a modernized M1 Garand that shoots caseless ammo.:grin:

OK, I'm wondering what it might be now...

My bet is a new version of combat shotgun.

That's the last frontier they haven't traversed and it looks like they are trying to get into the ninja market.

New SR40, Scout rifle, LCR in .357, LCP with a laser, SR556 uppers to 'upgrade' your present rig... all CCW, 'survival' or ninja oriented.

Combat shotgun for home defense, patrol back up weapon etc..

Last few remingtons I've seen look a little light on the QC, Mossberg is Mossberg and won't ever be anything different than what they are no matter how many door buster thingys they put on, Benelli's run over a grand...

Combat shotgun... Ruger... ~$550

It would round out their lineup, and make them a one stop shop for smaller depts on a budget, not to mention the buying public always looking for a ninjaesque option of a tried and true platform.

[BigSlick]

Oh yeah... if I'm right, I'll be signing autographs and doing a brief acceptance speech right after I sign on tonight. :rofl:

If I'm not right, hide and watch... it can't be too long in coming... ninjatude sells and Ruger has finally got in the game with it

Lord help us all.

[helitack32f1]

My next guess is a lever action, box magazine fed sniper shotgun with rails and a flash hider. And a laser. Barring that, the assault shotgun does make sense.
Can't wait to get the autograph!

[BigSlick]

My next guess is a lever action, box magazine fed sniper shotgun with rails and a flash hider. And a laser. Barring that, the assault shotgun does make sense.
Can't wait to get the autograph!

Man, I hope not, I already have one of those :rofl: :ninja_hide_h4h:

[craig110]

My next guess is a lever action, box magazine fed sniper shotgun with rails and a flash hider. And a laser. Barring that, the assault shotgun does make sense.

Oooooo, will the barrel be covered with rails on all four sides that go the entire length of the barrel? :brucelee:

:whistling1:

[helitack32f1]

Is that the LEE version?


My daughter's Easy Bake oven is blue if that tells you anything!:shock:

[creophus]

Maybe this article will explain it all.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Gunsite.htm

[Brass Nazi]

Oooooo, will the barrel be covered with rails on all four sides that go the entire length of the barrel? :brucelee:

:whistling1:

They can't cover the barrel with rails cause then you couldn't see the owners manual that is inscribed on the barrel.

[BigSlick]

Hey !!!

It's another 9x19 pistol too small for my big hands !!!

Yippeeeee !!

http://www.ruger.com/products/lc9/images/3200.jpg

[Brass Nazi]

Ruger used to be known for making inexpensive yet well built firearms. All they seem to care about lately are cheap disposable guns.

I thought that they said that "everyone" was going to want one? Does everyone want a cheaply made plastic DAO 9mm?

[helitack32f1]

Ruger used to be known for making inexpensive yet well built firearms. All they seem to care about lately are cheap disposable guns.

I thought that they said that "everyone" was going to want one? Does everyone want a cheaply made plastic DAO 9mm?



Apparently someone must want 'em, Sig has one as well.


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/P290-detail-Right.jpg

[Brass Nazi]

Oh my:shock:

That thing is uglier than a Glock:roflmao:

I do like that it has a good set of sights though.

[BigSlick]

Well there is still a large segment of shooters that haven't had the luxury of becoming aware of the issues associated with a mini 9x19.

It'll probably shoot, it's relatively low cost (for $4 worth of plastic and maybe $8 worth of metal) and the DAO will keep some folks out of trouble.

I imagine this is intended to compete with the Kahr and Sig above. The mini pistol market is ripe for something you can grip with more than two fingers and shoots a sufficient caliber (to some).

I'm not sure I see the timing as being just right though, they introduced the SR9C last year, and the LCP with the ninja light on it within the last month or so.

Is there a big market in building guns for leprechaun thugs that I missed ? Three compact/mini pistols within a year ?

I see the low cost of injection moulded plastic has got someone in design at Ruger all worked up. Plastic injection is way cheap compared to machine work, and now they can fill almost any niche in the market for the cost of a mould and die.

Maybe one day they'll get around to making another well built, serviceable weapon... like a 5 shot .41 Mag GP100 in a 3-4" barrel.

The SR9C is a nice little shooter, I can't see it not being the answer to the compact 9x19 market segment, but, it won't exactly fit in a watch pocket or make up bag :dunno:

I was all jacked up about getting another lever action shotgun with rails too :supergrin:

[Rollis]

Needless to say when I, received my email, I, was under whelmed.

[BigSlick]

When I saw it, I was a little disappointed.

The next gun you HAVE to own ?

Come again ? This thing ? Not unless I shoot one that someone else owns and just love it, which ain't gonna happen cause I have an SR9C.

No doubt, guns like those are usable, in some situations, but I kinda built up to expecting something really nice.

Big build up, nicely done, but the gun (for my use) is a real yawn.

[helitack32f1]

When I saw it, I was a little disappointed.

The next gun you HAVE to own ?

Come again ? This thing ? Not unless I shoot one that someone else owns and just love it, which ain't gonna happen cause I have an SR9C.

No doubt, guns like those are usable, in some situations, but I kinda built up to expecting something really nice.

Big build up, nicely done, but the gun (for my use) is a real yawn.

Yup. Kind of a yawn. I think it will probably be well built but it opens the door for Glock to do it right. I am sure they will build one as soon as they get done with the carbine:grin:

[craig110]

I view this as a good thing. (Well, skipping the marketing hype about HAVING to own it.) Manufacturers coming out with many small models recently means that there is a demand for that type of weapon which shows that, in all likelihood, more people are interested in carrying concealed. That's a good thing, right?

[creophus]

Not sure how to feel about this gun. I like how they are coming out with new stuff. This is a better model than that P3AT clone as it has a way better look than the Kel-Tec. It is a bit bigger and heavier than the Kel-Tec PF9, but oh well.

Seems they are trying to target a younger shooting market which is VERY SMART.

That Sig Helitack posted is gosh awful ugly.

[CZ93X62]

Seems they are trying to target a younger shooting market which is VERY SMART.

Yeah--younger. As in, 9-10 year olds given the size of the pistol. Yawn. Back to the bolt rifle, which is at least marginally useful.

[nitesite]

One seven-round, single-column magazine is provided with each LC9 pistol.

WTF??? And a second mag will cost you $34 but you have to wait because they are on backorder at ShopRuger.com Nice planning there, guys.

And it looks like the sight dovetails are totally proprietary. Great.

But honestly? If this had been on the market when I bought a different single stack 9mm subcompact I would probably be giving you a range report cuz I'd have bought one. American made and all, y'know.

[helitack32f1]

WTF??? And a second mag will cost you $34 but you have to wait because they are on backorder at ShopRuger.com Nice planning there, guys.

And it looks like the sight dovetails are totally proprietary. Great.

But honestly? If this had been on the market when I bought a different single stack 9mm subcompact I would probably be giving you a range report cuz I'd have bought one. American made and all, y'know.


It is really angering for a company to only supply one magazine. I think it is unacceptable. Guess I will go find that Ruger idea hotline and let them know. The best part of my LCP recall was that it resulted in a second magazine being included.

As for a small subcompact 9mm, If you have a micro .380 for deep concealment, people inevitably say "Ain't nuttin' ever done been killed with a pee wee round such as that" so now we have some 9mm's that are almost as concealable for those afraid to take on the world with a .380.
However, If I was looking for a concealable 9 I would probably still go with the Walther PPS. Though I must say I have found very few instances where I cannot conceal my G23.

[BigSlick]

Amen to that.

[Brass Nazi]

I never really had a problem with only one magazine being supplied. Only one is required to have a functional gun. It lets the owner who desires to have only one to buy the gun at a lower pricepoint. Most rifles come with only one magazine.

For example I own a Browning Safari autoloader and I only have one magazine. I never felt like I needed to order another and I would keep the $60 in my pocket that I would have spent on the gun if it had come with two.

[creekwalker]

As I see it the 10 round single stack mag is to tall and could hinder or complicate prone shooting. Id have been happier with a double stack half the length and believe it could have been as reliable as the single stack version.

Then we have the gosh darn ugly front sight/flash suppressor set up, the M-14/M1-A front sight/flash suppressor is a far nicer looking set up. I'm certain an after market front sight/flash suppressor will become available, but can't see any possible change in the rifle's magazine other than offering a five round version.

[BigSlick]

Soon as Rollis gives me the go on it, I'm getting one of the scout rifles ;)

Thread on the barrel will fit most things you'd want to add and I can see putting a FAL flash hider or a 3 prong on it :rofl: *or* just a thread cap and forget the flash hider all the way around.

[craig110]

I never really had a problem with only one magazine being supplied. Only one is required to have a functional gun. It lets the owner who desires to have only one to buy the gun at a lower pricepoint. Most rifles come with only one magazine.


My thoughts exactly. Not everyone wants to carry extra mags around, so why should Ruger force all the potential customers to buy them and bump the gun into higher prices? I'm sure that a company like Ruger did their homework on what the market is asking for and has positioned this gun to fill a need. Ok, from many of the comments in this thread it likely won't win the "GP new weapon of the year" award, but this gun doesn't seem aimed at (no pun intended) people who are already gun enthusiasts.

Good luck to the LC9 and may it draw more people into buying, shooting, and carrying firearms. If a year later they are happy carrying it with just a single mag, great! If a year later they feel underpowered carrying anything less than a 10mm with a dozen mags and a backup full-railed lever-action shotgun, great! Either way, getting people over the hurdle of introducing them to shooting is goodness.

[Rollis]

:cheezy:Slick, the only redone I, don't have a Scout, right now is a lack of funds. So don't let me hold you back.

[nitesite]

Okay, I understand and respect the opinions expressed about one magazine being satisfactory. Your points make sense. But I think including another might only raise the cost by <$10 at the initial POS, not $34. And let's face it, pistol magazines get dropped by people (particularly novices) and if the feed lips become bent to the point that it causes malfunctions? Well, you have a worthless paperweight until you order another and wait and wait. Aren't defective magazines (one of) the #1 causes of pistol malfs?

The Scout Rifle could definitely have some positive aspects to owning one!

[creophus]

I like multiple mags when I buy a gun. Don't think I've ever purchased a gun with only one mag.

[craig110]

I like multiple mags when I buy a gun. Don't think I've ever purchased a gun with only one mag.

Same here. I've only purchased one handgun, but whether it came with one mag or two (it was used and I don't recall how many mags it came with), I have a decent pile of mags for it now.


Okay, I understand and respect the opinions expressed about one magazine being satisfactory. Your points make sense. But I think including another might only raise the cost by <$10 at the initial POS, not $34. And let's face it, pistol magazines get dropped by people (particularly novices) and if the feed lips become bent to the point that it causes malfunctions? Well, you have a worthless paperweight until you order another and wait and wait. Aren't defective magazines (one of) the #1 causes of pistol malfs?


I hate to sound nit-picky here, but I never said that I'd be satisfied having just one mag and I agree that mags break. I'm defending Ruger's decision to sell the LC9 with only a single mag since their market research must have indicated that there was a large pool of buyers for that configuration / price-point to justify positioning the new pistol there. Rather than say it can't be a good gun since it isn't configured as GPers would like to see it configured, my preference is to welcome the new shooters who are attracted to its simplicity and price-point. Some of them will buy more mags, others will get different guns later on, but all advance the shooting sports and 2nd Amendment. If Ruger has found a configuration and price-point that gets more gun owners, that is goodness.

[BigSlick]

It is.

But, for those who are already gun owners, it's just another $$$ to shell out.

I'd trade me having to buy another mag (they should be available though soon as the gun promo is launched) for a new shooter every time.

In my opinion, $35 is a complete ripoff for a mag, because you know they're probably getting them from MecGar and don't pay anything close to even a quarter of that per mag.

Either way, if someone who wasn't a shooter before becomes a shooter because this thing ships with one mag, I'll deal with it - if I bought one - which I won't.

[helitack32f1]

Here are another two of my hard earned pennies on the mag issue.

First, It seems like an inconsequential amount of money to provide another magazine. Part of my irritation comes from the fact that Ruger themselves supply a 10 rnd magazine and a 17 rnd magazine with a finger grip extension floor plate with the SR9c. Why can't they do the same with all pistols? Or at least two of the same. Doesn't make sense. Having a spare mag is a bonus in case something happens to the original rather than having to wait a week or month for a replacement. It is also nice to be able to load up a couple mags or more when going out shooting. And if it is like my LCP, I like to carry an extra magazine because after I have pissed off the bad guy with 6 rnds of .380, now I can really tick him off with another 6 rnds. If I hit him.

As far as an extra magazine adding to the price of initial purchase, I am not sure that would factor into whether or not someone is going to be brought into the shooting sports. It seems to me that it would be more of a selling point on a small gun like this to say "You get two magazines, one regular and one with a finger grip extension" rather than saying "You only get one magazine because it makes the gun cheaper" I am willing to bet that they are going to charge the same amount for the gun whether it had an extra magazine or not. It's just that if they sell it with only one, they can then make more money by selling extras later.

Either way, I still sent the CEO a message expressing my displeasure. That'll teach'em.

Mr. Gunblast has some good detail shots of the LC9 and comparison pics showing size compared to the LCP and SR9c.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LC9.htm

[BigSlick]

Truth is, if someone can afford the gun to begin with, Ruger adding in another $15 for another included mag probably wouldn't break the bank.

I don't know anyone disciplined enough to need or want a gun and let another $15 stand in the way, but, with first time buyers, small pistolas all look pretty much the same.

Would I buy one of these over a Keltec, extra mag or not ? In a heartbeat.

Would someone who didn't know Ruger, Keltec, Sig or anyone else from another use price as the only criteria for a purchase ? I think so, given the belief that they all look the same and how can one really be different than another.

The real difference at the time/point of sale is going to come down to the advice the average user gets from a dealer, friend etc. We know most dealers are about as helpful as a kick in the head when profit is concerned.

Ruger should have included the mag, the fact that they didn't puts them in a slightly lower cost threshold than they would have otherwise be.

The bigger issue in my mind, is Ruger trying to cheap things out to compete with Keltec and the like and going to annoy a lot of loyal customers in the process.

I like Rugers, I like them more than most.

Cheaping out on the mag is one thing, but cheaping out on the mag and then offering them for $35 just looks greasy to me.

You think they put this gun on the market *just* for new shooters or those so financially strapped the extra mag included at say 40% markup would cost them a sale ?

I think if most people are that financially strapped, they most likely won't be shopping for a new pistol, as used is usually cheaper.

People who have been shooting regularly see one mag and get the impression what a bunch of cheap, profit mongering bastidges Ruger has turned out to be.

If they're cheaping out on their latest and greatest and 'YOU MUST OWN' it makes me wonder where else they are cutting corners.

Damn sure not on the SR-556 uppers at two grand a pop...

[Brass Nazi]

Anything over $20 for a magazine is a rip off IMO.

[helitack32f1]

Anything over $20 for a magazine is a rip off IMO.


You'll love this then!

http://shopruger.com/Scout-308-Mag-M77-10S/productinfo/90353/

Sure wish they had figured out how to adapt M14/M1A mags for this purpose.

[craig110]

You'll love this then!

http://shopruger.com/Scout-308-Mag-M77-10S/productinfo/90353/

Sure wish they had figured out how to adapt M14/M1A mags for this purpose.

$70 for a mag? Unless they sell minuscule quantities each year, they're just begging for one of the after-market mag makers to step in. (Which, incidentally, I venture will happen with the LC9 mags.)

[John]

checkmate industries is going to get a lot of business i expect

[helitack32f1]

luckily the 5 rounder is a bargain at $64.

[BigSlick]

That simply sucks.

[Brass Nazi]

Oh hell no. They need a gun distributor kinda like the high life man in those TV commercials. Get caught screwing people over and you get your stuff re possessed.

[BigSlick]

Ruger has learned some basic marketing and manufacturing profitability.

Just like buying a razor, they're cheap as can be, they tag you on the blades. Same with ink jet printers and other stuff of the sort.

Mags aren't exactly a consumable, but if you need one it might as well be.

[Boge]

Tell ya what fellas, I have two of the new Ruger medium frame .44 Specials and Ruger hit the bullseye with this puppy!! It's everything a modern SA revolver should be!! Every man needs one for woods walkin'.

[nitesite]

Well, it's no defense for what Ruger marketing strategy has decided to do (one mag shipped with a new pistol) but the Walther PPS that Smith & Wesson distributes (very nice pistol BTW) comes with but one magazine. That's a $795 pistol at MSRP.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y

[Rollis]

I, was at the LGS today, while discussing with the owner about some inventory choice's, I, told him about the Scout. He will be checking on price's, and might put one on the shelf. Hopefuly it will come in, in time befor I, leave out next.

[BigSlick]

Cool :cool:

[rjrivero]

I don't think the flash hider is as ridiculous as y'all make it out to be. It's a defensive weapon. How may AR's have 'em? Secondly, the barrel is threaded. With all the chatter about cans, this seems appealing to some, no?

I like the removeable magazine. I suspect a lower capacity version will be available for a more convenient profile. I agree that the one in the pic looks awkward.

Finally, if you've never tried the scout optics configuration, you might be surprised by the utility of this setup. I'm not a fan of red dot's, but I have a low power intermediate eye relief scope, and I like it alot.

This one's an ugly rifle I think I could cuddle up to.
Exactly my thoughts when I saw this picture. This is one Ruger that may find it's way into my safe before too long......

[Rollis]

I, just played with a Scout, at the LGS, it is sweat. Now all I, have to do is figger out weather to buy it, or make a house payment.

[helitack32f1]

House payments are overrated. Go with the gun. You can't hunt with a house or shoot bullets with a house.:grin:

[Rollis]

That's my thinking, but Susie, dosn't care for my thinking on this matter. I, might go over today, just to play with it some more.

[gokyo]

Ok here it is

The reason the mags are so expensive is because the mag is a Accuracy International Magazine.

http://store.accuracyinternationalsrt.com/categories/AI-Magazines/

AI stuff in general is pretty pricey and has pretty low turn over. I am hoping that this scout rifle will drive the AI magazine prices down and I can afford to pick up a couple more.

Here is my rifle and it's 70 dollar 10 round magazine.

(I currently have lower rings and a bigger scope now. I am kind of embarrassed by this scope please do not judge)

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/aicsrear2.jpg

[reddog15]

This thing is so weird that it could be a modern art masterpiece. Looks like they went through an overstock in the parts bins and Frankensteined something together..:doh:

[helitack32f1]

This thing is so weird that it could be a modern art masterpiece. Looks like they went through an overstock in the parts bins and Frankensteined something together..:doh:


It certainly does look that way. I am still irritated by the fact they decided to have proprietary mags that cost an arm and a stomach, but I finally got to handle one at the new Cabela's the other day and love it's feel and handling characteristics. It is now on my large list of Ruger's I must own. I think it would be a lot of fun, just a little expensive to feed.

[BoltNut]

I think I will go broke trying to keep up with Rugers I want...{sigh}