New .22 pistol decision

[helitack32f1]

It has come to my attention that it is simply unacceptable to not be in possession of a .22 caliber pistol of some sort and I have set out to rectify the problem. My first choice is to buy back one or two of the Colt Woodsman's I have sold in the past. If that is not successful, I have so far narrowed my choices down to the GSG 1911 .22 or a Ruger 22/45. I am leaning toward the GSG just because I have heard a lot of good about them and have been checking it out at a LGS and love the quality feel. And by buying that one gun I will have a .22 AND a 1911 style pistol! The Ruger felt great as well.

Any opinions or knowledge on the subject? I would also like a Sig Trailside or Colt Cadet but both are somewhat rare and way out of my price range.

[Blackdog]

I really like the Ruger MkII's. I have a 7.5" tapered Target and a 5.5" heavy barrelled. The 22/45, not so much. Especially the MkIII's. They had something with the mag release, but the chamber indicator is just problems waiting to happen.

[gokyo]

I have owned many Rugers MK's. I have really grown to dislike them.

Depending on what you want it for I would suggest...

For manual of arms training
Slide conversion for your 1911 or a glock

For super accurate target shooting
S&W Model 41
Ruger MKII Government or Slab side target

For plinking and general good time
Single Six
Trailside
Ruger MK II

I have never shot the woodsman thought I bet it is really nice.

[helitack32f1]

I have owned many Rugers MK's. I have really grown to dislike them.

Depending on what you want it for I would suggest...

For manual of arms training
Slide conversion for your 1911 or a glock

For super accurate target shooting
S&W Model 41
Ruger MKII Government or Slab side target

For plinking and general good time
Single Six
Trailside
Ruger MK II

I have never shot the woodsman thought I bet it is really nice.

I guess I would be looking for an accurate plinker. That is one thing that kinda draws me to the GSG 1911. It is apparently quite accurate.I don't have a 1911 .45 and probably won't get one for some time so probably won't get a conversion any time soon either. In the grand scheme of things, inherent accuracy probably doesn't matter much since all an accurate .22 does for me is help me miss more accurately! :cheezy:

My most desired of .22's is the third generation Colt Target Woodsman but they are currently running over $1000. And I never realized I needed a Smith 41 until I saw a couple at a gun show awhile back. Amazing guns!

Woodsman accuracy seems pretty good. I can't hit anything with them but my dad has killed about 10 grouse with head shots using the Woodsman I sold him.

Lately I have looked at the ISSC .22 Glock clone thingy and it handles nicely but from reading on the web it sounds as though, while it is accurate it is very ammo specific. Also, since Glock got wind of it and sued 'em it is now much more ugly than it was.

Choices, choices. Glad to have them.

[helitack32f1]

I really like the Ruger MkII's. I have a 7.5" tapered Target and a 5.5" heavy barrelled. The 22/45, not so much. Especially the MkIII's. They had something with the mag release, but the chamber indicator is just problems waiting to happen.

Is there a major difference between MKII's and III's? The only reason I was considering the 22/45 was the grip angle. I don't have a problem with the Glock Grip angle but the standard Ruger grip seems even more extreme than the Glock. Maybe I just need to shoot a few.

[BigSlick]

I really like the Ruger MkII's. I have a 7.5" tapered Target and a 5.5" heavy barrelled. The 22/45, not so much. Especially the MkIII's. They had something with the mag release, but the chamber indicator is just problems waiting to happen.


This ;)

[creophus]

The Glock conversion (AA) is accurate enough. The trigger pull is whatever you already have on your Glock. Might be cost effective although the kit only comes with one magazine.

What's the problem with the chamber indicator on the MKIIIs?

[gokyo]

The Glock conversion (AA) is accurate enough. The trigger pull is whatever you already have on your Glock. Might be cost effective although the kit only comes with one magazine.

What's the problem with the chamber indicator on the MKIIIs?

The chamber indicator is a piece of metal that sits on the rim of the case and pops up. The concern is that if you drop the pistol with a loaded cartridge that the indicator might be driven down onto the rim of the case causing it to fire.

To know if this is an issue borrow the pistol from a friend and smack the chamber indicator with a brass mallet.

[gokyo]

And I never realized I needed a Smith 41 until I saw a couple at a gun show awhile back. Amazing guns!



Maybe this will help. I took this picture a few years back.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_5532.jpg

[creophus]

The chamber indicator is a piece of metal that sits on the rim of the case and pops up. The concern is that if you drop the pistol with a loaded cartridge that the indicator might be driven down onto the rim of the case causing it to fire.

To know if this is an issue borrow the pistol from a friend and smack the chamber indicator with a brass mallet.
I hear it's not a problem.

The third safety feature added to the Ruger pistol is a loaded chamber indicator. This is a thin metal bar, the rear of which protrudes slightly from the left side of the receiver when a cartridge is present in the chamber. This device can be easily seen, and can also be felt with the shooter's finger. The bar is activated by a spring-loaded piece of steel that touches the rim of the chambered cartridge. I was concerned that this could possibly fire the cartridge if the gun were to be dropped on a hard surface, landing on the loaded chamber indicator; admittedly a remote possibility, but a concern nonetheless. To test this feature, I loaded the chamber with a live cartridge, and could easily push in on the bar. It would push flush with the receiver. I then pointed the muzzle downrange, and tapped the bar with a heavy brass hammer. No matter how hard I smacked the loaded chamber indicator bar, it would not even leave the slightest mark on the cartridge rim, and cannot fire the pistol if dropped
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_MarkIII-Hunter.htm

[John]

i've had a 22/45 and it was excellent. i dont care much for the mark 3 series though. the standard ruger and the 22/45 are basically the same internally, only differences being that the frame portion is plastic and shaped to duplicate the grip angle of a 1911 on the 22/45. the lower grip angle on the ruger standard is quite comfortable to most people. it's very close to that of a luger

[helitack32f1]

Maybe this will help
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_5532.jpg

Stop it!

[gokyo]

i took this picture yesterday. I think it may be better then the first one.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_0717.jpg

[Blackdog]

Oh yeah... That's a beaut!

i took this picture yesterday. I think it may be better then the first one.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_0717.jpg

[nitesite]

That's a durn nice looking Crossman pellet pistol for sure. :)

I can't even detect where the CO2 cartridge is located...

[John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxTG_y-phb0

[Blackdog]

:roflmao::animlol:

[helitack32f1]

Went to another LGS the other day and they have the 41 for $1010. It is an amazing gun but I have to admit that if I walked in there with that kinda money, looking for .22, I would have tried to talk them down on the perfect, consignment Woodsman Target Match they want $1300 for. Ideally I "need" both! But I am slightly biased toward Woodsmans, especially Target Match models.

[rjrivero]

I would love to have a 41. However, something else just keeps getting in the way when I find one I want. One of these days though, I promise.

I have an older S&W 2206TGT that is not quite the tack driver the 41 is, but it's a nice plinker none the less.

I recently picked up a Walther P22 because I've been told it's really a great host for a .22 suppressor and I've really caught "Suppressor Fever" lately.

I tried to post a picture of the 2206, but it's way too big.
How about a link instead?

http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=368&d=1239199502

[gokyo]

Fixed it for you

I would love to have a 41. However, something else just keeps getting in the way when I find one I want. One of these days though, I promise.

I have an older S&W 2206TGT that is not quite the tack driver the 41 is, but it's a nice plinker none the less.

I recently picked up a Walther P22 because I've been told it's really a great host for a .22 suppressor and I've really caught "Suppressor Fever" lately.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/DSC02368.jpg

[gokyo]

I have a2213 it is the little brother to your S&W. It is a very Sweet shooter.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_0692.jpg

[Glooooock]

I pick the long barreled Ruger as well , the marvel .22 conversion for a 1911 is very accurate (I own one ).

The whole schemer with all semi auto .22 pistols is finding the right ammo ... springs ... cleaning / lubrication to get good accuracy and function . All pistols have issues .

http://www.marvelprecision.com/

[rjrivero]

I have a2213 it is the little brother to your S&W. It is a very Sweet shooter.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/gokyo/IMG_0692.jpg
Very nice. If you ever decide it needs to leave your collection, please let me know.

Thanks also for fixing my post.

[John]

looks like a short barreled 422. very similar to the 61 i believe

[mbradst]

I have a Ruger MKIII Hunter and love it. I took the chamber indicator out, not for safety reasons, but because it is one morevthing to clean if left on. It can get pretty dirty and affect function after five or six hundred rounds. If you decide on a Ruger, make sure you get a cliploader. It will make your life much easier, but it will make your ammo disappear with a quickness you have never witnessed.

Another great thing about my Ruger and every other Ruger 22 I have shot, it will eat ANY 22LR ammo. It even shot the 60 grain SSS rounds withbno problem.

[creophus]

I have a Ruger MKIII Hunter and love it. I took the chamber indicator out, not for safety reasons, but because it is one morevthing to clean if left on. It can get pretty dirty and affect function after five or six hundred rounds. If you decide on a Ruger, make sure you get a cliploader. It will make your life much easier, but it will make your ammo disappear with a quickness you have never witnessed.

Another great thing about my Ruger and every other Ruger 22 I have shot, it will eat ANY 22LR ammo. It even shot the 60 grain SSS rounds withbno problem.
What barrel length you got on that??

[creekwalker]

I have a Browning Medalist and a Ruger 22/45, other than the Browning having a more ergonomic grip and more of a match gun I like both of them. I've owned two S&W Mdl 41's in the past. They were nice enough but I just didn't keep them.
I also owned a Colt Ace 22LR conversion kit for the Colt Goverment Model that worked great, but was such a pain to install on a Goverment model that I got rid of it. I wish I'd have kept it now and just set it up on a frame and left it.
At this point I lean more towards recommending a Ruger 22/45 of the SIG for a 22.LR but will also say that the Beretta Model 76 is a very, very nice little set up too.

[helitack32f1]

Well I have come to the conclusion I am gonna pursue buying back one or two of the Woodsmans I have sold. I should be able to get them back for about a total of $400 if I am lucky. After that or if I am unsuccessful in that endeavor, I am keeping my eyes open for a used Ruger Mark II that catches my eye. But I am still going to end up with one of those GSG 1911's some day. Or a Browning 1911-22. I need another job!

EDIT: Decision was made more difficult by handling a beautiful new Ruger Bearcat.

[VN350X10]

Get a 1911 frame & a Marvel conversion. Build a dedicated .22 cal. 1911 & you've satisfied both your "accurate .22" & "1911" Jones in one fell swoop.
My son has a Marvel on an Essex frame, it runs like stink, eats almost any qualilty ammo you put in it & is only slightly less accurate than my S&W 41.
It's the only gun in the kids collection that I want to snag from him.
I also have several Rugers, both MK I & MK II configuration, a couple of 22/45's & a pair of Colt Woodsman(s). The Colts are nice pistols, but just a bit nose light for me. A Match Target version would cure that, don't have one of those yet.

uncle albert

[helitack32f1]

Interesting ideas. Part of my interest in the GSG is that rumors are they will offer a .45 conversion for it, even though I really do not need a .45 at this point. Plus it is an amazingly good feeling weapon and seems to get very good reviews for a great price.

You are right about the Woodsmans being a bit light in the nose. That is why I have longed for the Target Match for so long. It just feels perfect to me. One day I will have to own one.

[VN350X10]

My boss, Don at the gunshop has a match target. Told him that if he goes before me, he must will me the Colt.
He says that I have to leave him my pair, as he's not planning on going just yet !

uncle albert