So Ruger is replacing that .327 of mine.

[freakshow10mm]

Got my RIA 45 back from my smith. He told me my SP101 is getting completely replaced by Ruger. They sent him a letter. No ETA. Just that they are replacing it. Goodie. More paperwork.

[Anvil]

That doesn't make any sense. They just committed to the .327 Federal Magnum. I'd love to see a revamp but the SP101 is a classic.


Since the SP/GP/SRH share so much in design does that mean the GP will get made over too?

[freakshow10mm]

Don't know. I think it's too much of a best seller for changes to be made to the GP.

[Anvil]

I could see offering an improved platform but keeping the classics. There's just nothing really antiquated about the SP/GP/SRH design to revamp like there was in the security six.

If you're right I'm gonna get me a SP101 .357magnum before they're gone.

[freakshow10mm]

I could see offering an improved platform but keeping the classics. There's just nothing really antiquated about the SP/GP/SRH design to revamp like there was in the security six.

If you're right I'm gonna get me a SP101 .357magnum before they're gone.
Wait, I think you think I mean the gun lineup.

I'm referring to the SP101 I broke trying to put back together. I had to send it in to Ruger for repair and instead of fixing it, they are sending me a whole new SP101 in .327 Fed.

[Anvil]

Oh.

[BigSlick]

What broke on it Freak ?

Gotta be the crane maybe ?

[freakshow10mm]

Number 53 and 58 in the IBOK. They trashed the whole gun for $15 worth of parts.

[MakeMineaP99]

Number 53 and 58 in the IBOK. They trashed the whole gun for $15 worth of parts.

Excellent business decision. :mad2:

[918v]

Huh?

What's wrong with the gun?

[freakshow10mm]

There's a pin of some sort that goes underneath the frame that has something to do with the cylinder latch. That part is all jacked. Then something with the ejector is jacked too. It scraped the recoil plate.

Long story short, I went in the gun, changed springs just like I did on my GP100. Tried to put the trigger group back in and everything locked up. No trigger, hammer or cylinder movement. I had to beat the gun open with a rubber mallet. Took it to my smith and he had to send it in because both those parts are "factory install only".

So they bascially sent a letter to my smith saying they "totaled" my gun and are sending me a brand new one. Now I have to buy another set of Hogue grips and change the springs out again. There's another $30. Jerks.

[MakeMineaP99]

I'd call/write Ruger demanding they send back your springs and Houges.

[918v]

That sux. Are you gonna make a .30 Carbine/moonclip conversion? Cuz that's what I wanna do when I buy mine.

[MakeMineaP99]

918,

Do you shoot much .30 Carbine? Ever try cast in a USGI Carbine?

[918v]

Nope.

I picked up a couple of cases at the range last week. I looked at them and thought, "SP-101 moon clip conversion w/ softpoints... T/C Contender 1-8" twist barrel, 240 SMK "Whisper" :drool5: ... .20/.30 Carbine wildcat... sooo many possibilities."

[Crazy4nitro]

I find it Amusing as Hell that Freakshow Broke a Ruger.:smilielol5:
I bet Your Hell on Rental Cars....

'Nitro

[MullahElRon]

You break the gun. They say that they will replace it. You sent the gun in without removing the springs and grips. They're "jerks". Interesting conclusion.

[freakshow10mm]

The smith sent the gun in. Not returning aftermarket parts is a jerky action IMO. Your mileage seems to vary.

[MakeMineaP99]

Adam sent the gun to a smith, who had to send it to Ruger because the parts were factory service only. Ruger should have replaced the revolver, since they determined it needed to replaced, with any and all non stock parts in the original piece.

Ruger is screwing him pure and simple. You have to wonder why Ruger doesn't have a written warranty statement. Reminds me why I refuse to patronize Ruger.

[Steve Koski]

I find it Amusing as Hell that Freakshow Broke a Ruger.:smilielol5:
I bet Your Hell on Rental Cars....

'Nitro

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

[mitchshrader]

i can't say anything cause i'm laughin too hard.

now you got to rebuild ANOTHER gun, to get it to shoot a cartridge that has *no* justification whatsoever. :)

ya coulda stayed home and drank a six pack and made a profit.

my second marriage was like that..

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Well you get the honor of being the first person I've ever heard of breaking a Ruger revolver and it not involve a sledge of some kind. Good on ya!

Not completely unrelated, ya think they are gonna make a GP100 in .327 Federal? Either or so rounds would be schweet on a 6" GP100.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

That sucks, plain and simple.

[anyplainjoe]

If you work for Ruger, is getting the customer's add-on parts like a little bonus?

[mbradst]

I think the smith is to blame for not removing the parts, not Ruger. Is this the first time he has sent anything back to the manufacturer?

[CZ93X62]

I think the smith is to blame for not removing the parts, not Ruger. Is this the first time he has sent anything back to the manufacturer?

+1 to that viewpoint. When my deputies needed to ship guns back to the factory for repairs, I ALWAYS advised them to remove all the aftermarket add-ons like grips, lights/mounts, and if a revolver I ALWAYS checked the trigger pull. If not factory-level, off came the sideplate and I inspected for modifications/replacements to mainsprings and/or rebound slide springs. Replacing the springs with factory parts usually got the wheelguns to re-start, but I sent the revolvers back to S&W anyway to let them "bless it". Shade-tree action jobs SUCK :yikes: and could very well cost a deputy and/or his client their lives. I don't mean to imply that Freek's work was of that caliber--he knows what he is doing, and recognized what happened--and did the right thing when things went haywire.

[freakshow10mm]

I don't know how many guns the smith had to send in to the factory for work. I came in a few days later to buy some powder and he said he had to send it in to Ruger as the parts were factory controlled and Brownell's can't even get them.

The smith new what I was doing to the gun, as I told him "I went inside, swapped springs around and dressed the internals to lighten the trigger pull, just like on my GP100, and the gun wouldn't go back together", etc. So the smith knew right up front that I was inside and what my goal was and that there was aftermarket springs and grip with the gun.

[RenoF250]

I don't see how Ruger is to blame. Have they told you they would not give you your parts back yet? Seems to me they COULD have said you jacked the gun putting the parts in so they are not going to cover it. I think they will take care of you.

Not sure they can explain the purpose of the .327 though. :rofl:

[creophus]

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are.+1 :rofl:

It also reminds me of a range gun (S&W 460) that someone broke with factory ammo. :confused:

[creekwalker]

FS10

The smith should have removed your aftermarket grips before shipping the gun, so he owes you for them. He needs to make it right. Insofar as the aftermarket parts are concerned I always make sure the smith has those in hand if I'm having any problems w/aftermarket parts. I also make certain the smith knows to contact me before either shipping my gun or initiating significant repair or alteration work. Learned those lessons while you were still a tadpole.
cw

[CJStudent]

I could see offering an improved platform but keeping the classics. There's just nothing really antiquated about the SP/GP/SRH design to revamp like there was in the security six.

If you're right I'm gonna get me a SP101 .357magnum before they're gone.


Side question, if FS10 doesn't mind: What was the issue with the Security Six? I have one, and it's the sweetest shooting gun I've ever had. Absolutely SWEET trigger.

[djw]

It is simply to engage those who are unrepresented between the 283 and 350. Thus the 327.

[BustedFlush]

I think the smith is to blame for not removing the parts, not Ruger. Is this the first time he has sent anything back to the manufacturer?

Yep. Just about every manufacturer has a written policy about not including aftermarket items (like stocks) when returning items for repair.

I don't know why it should be such a big deal though, especially for items like stocks which have nothing to do with function. Why piss off customers?

[freakshow10mm]

MY REPLACEMENT GUN JUST GOT IN!!! I'm packing up the midget and hauling ass down there RFN!!!!!:driving:

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Don't let him hold on the way home or he might toss it out the window. Now you gonna give us a range report on the .327?

[freakshow10mm]

They replaced my Hogue grip and included the original factory grip. Plus I got a Ruger patch and sticker. The icing on the cake is they also reinstalled the Wolff springs!!! Kick ass!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Ruger/P4240019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Ruger/P4240020.jpg

[ept000]

Dude, that rocks!

[colorado4wheel]

You break the gun. They say that they will replace it. You sent the gun in without removing the springs and grips. They're "jerks". Interesting conclusion.

We already had this discussion. I would just be happy at this stage to get a new gun. They could have been real jerks and said "You took it apart, it's your problem". I think Ruger is doing you pretty well really. Smith & Wesson may not have been so kind.

[colorado4wheel]

Opps, commented to old post. L

Looking Good Freak. Glad you got it handled well. I am impressed with Ruger to be honest.

[freakshow10mm]

OK, heading off to the range for testing. Will be back in a few hours with a full range test. I'm going to turn in my CRB card and just fire off the 100rds of factory .327 Fed Mag ammo I have. Sounds easier and funner than pulling the bullets.

I'll post some target pics when I get back.

[CZ93X62]

Sounds as if Ruger took pretty good care of ya, Freek. Good on 'em.

[freakshow10mm]

Got my replacement gun back today. Ran the 100rds of factory I bought off this forum. Wasn't impressed.

This gun kicks more than my GP100 with heavy loads in my 215gr SWC bullets. Seriously. I drew blood on my finger from the inside of the trigger guard snapping me.

I cannot see how this gun is touted as being great for woman. I run some freakin heavy ass loads in the 10mm and that doesn't bother me one bit.

The gun isn't controllable in rapid fire, can't stay on target at 50ft in slow fire, and I had locking issues with the gun in SA mode. Also the rims jump the ejector star so I have to get out my knife and pry the case out on a few cylinders.

Very disappointed. Maybe the .327 downloaded a bit might be better but as it is, it has some issues.

I got a 32 H&R 4" SP101 that I have to send back to Ruger. I am undecided whether I want to keep this .327 Mag or the H&R Mag. With the 3 inch .327 Mag I have the option of shooting .32 Mag which is probably all I'll shoot anyways.

Time will tell. I got some thinking to do.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

I think they might just be wanting it to kick less than a SP101 in .357 Mag. Sounds like it does have some issues that will probably be fixed later, but that's the chance you take with buying anything as soon as it comes out.

[freakshow10mm]

I seriously doubt it kicks less. Muzzle blast was very pronounced.

An impulse buy. What can ya say?

[BigSlick]

I would say see if da cylinder will swap to da 4" an see da world a difference a 4" barrel makes

[Brass Nazi]

Freakshow has a .375H&H handgun and he is bitch'n about the recoil of a 32 sub-magnum?:rofl:

[Steve Koski]

But it has 6 rounds instead of 5, doesn't that make up for everything else???

(Seriously, carrying snubbies is freaking insane.)

[Jayhawker]

It looks like a sweet little piece. If I were you, I'd keep it and get rid of the .32 H&R, kind of like having the versatility of a .357. You can always download rounds in a revolver, but there is only so much that you can upload to in any gun

[mbradst]

If you don't have one of these in .357, you owe it to yourself to get one. I bought one for my wife after we took our CHL class a few years ago, and I LOVE it with full house magnum rounds. I bought it so she could carry in a purse, car, etc. I shoot the thing much more than her. It spits an impressive fireball out of it's 2.25" barrel at night. .327 might be nice for the novelty or collector's aspect, but the .357 is more practical and versatile, IMHO.

[VN350X10]

Because of liability reasons, NO mfgr. will return any non-factory stock part when a gun is returned after service.

Gotta wonder just what Glock does with all of the 3 1/2# connectors of different mfg. that they get in a year.....Happened to a trigger-job customer AFTER he was told to remove anything non-stock from the G21 before he sent it back for upgrades....and he was told this by the person from Glock in Smyrna, on the phone !

Liability lawyers SUCK !

uncle albert

[Glooooock]

Adam , do you run normal loads or the "two handed turn your head " + piss & vinagar loads . I guess I mean , would it still be working with all factory ammo run through it ?

[freakshow10mm]

Not understanding your question.

[ISUSteve]

Adam , do you run normal loads or the "two handed turn your head " + piss & vinagar loads . I guess I mean , would it still be working with all factory ammo run through it ?

Translation:

Adam, do you shoot standard SAAMI pressure loads or do you shoot above SAAMI pressure loads. If you do shoot above standard loads, do you believe that the incident would not have happened and it would still be working correctly?

[freakshow10mm]

The ammunition was not associated with the gun's damage. I was putting the gun back together after changing to lighter springs and some small parts broke when I tried to reassemble the gun. It has since been repaired and has a new home.

[Glooooock]

Yup, what I said and he said ,,,, the choices

1. I cannot comment due to current litigation .

2. I reload for a living don't screw up my gig. The loads might be a bit warmer than stock in that gun.

3. I only shoot the proper ammo , I oil my gun everyday.
Store it in a cool dry place.

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Edit ..... I just saw your post above ... Thanks