Cant find any ww locally Rant

[speedracer211]

Cant find any wheel weights locally in Bradenton/Sarasota Florida. I called every dang tire store in the phone book and they all have a thing set up where it goes back to the manufacturer. I got one guy that said to call back tomorrow and talk to the manager. Anyways I am moving back to PA so I tell my old man to call our local tire guy who my dad has known for 40 years and my dad is also selling his house right now. So my old man asks his buddy and he too said that he has contracts already set up with others, but he might be able to get me a few lbs not many. So this completely sucks, the only other thing I have going for me is the three local u pull its where I made friends with the owners over the past ten years and they dont care if I would pull all the wheel weights off the cars in the yard. That would suck but it would be free.

Here I thought I had shoe in and now I am not sure if it would be worth it for me if I have to buy lead.

[Anvil]

Money talks, bull**** walks.

I get the same lecture here and get more ww than I can handle frequently. What you've got to do is get these people invested a bit in your hobby. Go by there in person since you've got to go there ANYWAY to get the lead if they give it to you. (don't jabber about $4 a gallon gas, you can make up a route within 10 miles of your house). Say, "Hi I'm (your name). I'm trying to cast up some bullets for reloading and need some lead. I'm looking for a source for wheel weights. Do you have any you can spare? (thats when they'll tell you about the "other guy"). Is there any way I can beat him to the punch? (If they mention selling it to scrap yards be ready). Scrap yards here pay 12 cents a pound if you deliver the lead. I'll do pick up for 10 cents a pound and keep your tire ballancing station clean. By the way. Any guys here shoot? I'm making bullets in these calibers... 9mm, 40, 38, 357, etc. If I can get some wheel weights I'll bring by some of the bullets for them.

NOW YOU'VE GOT A SOURCE FOR WW!

Chances are 1 out of 20 workers shoot and none of them have a loading press. Keeping the tire ballancing station clean means you get the ww from around there. If you've GOT to give them money for the lead give them 10 cents or little below what the scrap yard is offering. Chances are the manager will just take the money and pocket it anyway but it don't matter. You've got the lead you need.

[speedracer211]

Well I stopped by Pep Boys last week and almost got the kid talked into pinching a few lbs a month for me, but that was a no go in the end. I tried to find the smaller non franchise shops, but it seems they all take it to the scrap yard which is only about 10 miles away.

[Anvil]

Okay, then pay BETTER than scrap yards. Pay 15 cents a pound if the scrap yards are paying 12.

Look what you're paying if you just buy finished bullets. $2.50 a pound. See? You still win even if you pay 20 cents a pound.

[AdamN]

but it seems they all take it to the scrap yard which is only about 10 miles away.


Then go to the scrap yard:yesnod:

[Pitmaster]

While telling them you are making bullets can be good, I would add that you are making sinkers for fishing. If the guy fishes offer to make him some too. Getting a mold and spending a little time making them for him might be worth it too.

[Steve Koski]

I'm apparently walking.

[AdamN]

Long time walker here

[Clicker]

Well I stopped by Pep Boys last week and almost got the kid talked into pinching a few lbs a month for me, but that was a no go in the end.

I have a good friend that's a service manager with Pep Boys. He hooked me up years ago with damn near a 55 drum of WW. Fast forward 6 years and things have changed. The corporate guys has come down on them and the WW's are supposed to be disposed of thru proper channels.

Times are tough in the lead gettin' game.

[speedracer211]

I can check with the scrapyard, but the last time I went there they were not the nicest folks to deal with. Could have been that they were drunk, but the guys that own and run the scrapyard are what I think of when I think of a southern rednecked hillbilly. They were giving some brass away to one guy though.

[speedracer211]

Just called the scrapyard .50/lb.

[Anvil]

Just called the scrapyard .50/lb.



That's what the scrap yard SELLS it for, not what they BUY it for.

The scrap yard and you are both competing for the same lead. They will offer to buy it at one price and sell it at $.50 a pound.

The scrap yard here in Memphis is selling for $2 a pound. But they are making ingots and selling to .... I have no idea!

Call the scrap yard and tell them you've got 500 pounds of wheel weights to sell and want to know what they'll pay you for clip on ww.

The price they quote you will be VERY different!

THAT"S THE PRICE YOU OFFER PEP BOYS!

[craig110]

Offering sinkers as part of the deal to get WWs is fine, but be careful about offering bullets. Since you're agreeing up front to get something in return for the bullets you made, the Feds might decide, and I suspect properly, that you are now contractually agreeing to sell bullets and require you to have the FFL. (I know, I know, no money exchanged hands but "selling" is a broader concept that covers all exchanges and not just the exchanges involving green pieces of paper or bits in a bank account.) I'd stick with offering only cash and the pick-up service to keep things simple instead of being possibly open to interpretation.

[Steve Koski]

Way to go lawyer man!

[jawjaboy]

Cant find any ww locally Rant

Some a these folks here can tell ya, I sang da same ol song for months 'n months a couple a years ago. And I feel purdy confident they prolly did the same thang before I came along. Been told no a thousand times.

You want ww's? Never give up searching. They a fall in ya lap one day. Promise. When they do, wrap dat source up. Put a spell on 'em. Beer, pizza, doughnuts, burgers, soda...what evah ya client might look like they in to. Leave 'em ya phone #. Won't be long, they a be callin ol Speedracer..."hey man, I got ya some more ww's." :thumbsup:

Telephone call ain't gonna cut it. Period. Dey don't know whether you da EPA, FBI, IRS or whatdahell ever. Dey gonna tell ya...."No." Seek 'em out, they out there. Dress da dress, walk da walk, talk da talk, jes like they do.

You do da above, with spirit, you a be back here braggin in 3 months. Apologizin fer ya ol whiney ww rant! :thumbsup: :supergrin: :wink5:

[MakeMineaP99]

Offering sinkers as part of the deal to get WWs is fine, but be careful about offering bullets. Since you're agreeing up front to get something in return for the bullets you made, the Feds might decide, and I suspect properly, that you are now contractually agreeing to sell bullets and require you to have the FFL. (I know, I know, no money exchanged hands but "selling" is a broader concept that covers all exchanges and not just the exchanges involving green pieces of paper or bits in a bank account.) I'd stick with offering only cash and the pick-up service to keep things simple instead of being possibly open to interpretation.

I'm still waiting on the Feds to return my letter requesting clarification on this exact subject.

[jawjaboy]

But what if one a them sinkers hits somebody in da eye, and they go blind?

[AdamN]

But what if one a them sinkers hits somebody in da eye, and they go blind?


If ya just put one eye out they "technically" aint blind. Guess ya need 2 sinkers

[craig110]

I'm still waiting on the Feds to return my letter requesting clarification on this exact subject.

Nice! Tell us what they say when they respond. I'm guessing it will be worded along the lines that if the bullets are an unexpected gift to the WW provider then they are just a gift but that anything that creates an expectation of receiving bullets as part of the WW exchange will require an FFL. Any other result would have consistency problems. For example, imagine three people; Scrapy, who runs the local scrapyard, Caster, and Shooter. Without an FFL, Caster can't buy lead from Scrapy, make bullets, and sell them to Shooter. Consistency would argue that Shooter shouldn't be allowed to buy the lead from Scrapy and give it, along with some money, to Caster in exchange for an equal weight in bullets since the net results (i.e. the locations of the dollars and end products) are identical. Any other trade where the bullets are part of the deal is just a variant on this scenario: Agreeing to give a tire dealer X number of bullets per bucket of WWs is identical to paying the dealer some amount of money and the dealer turning around and buying bullets from the caster with the same money. Since the results are the same, I can't imagine that one requires an FFL but the other one wouldn't.

[yammerschooner]

Offering sinkers as part of the deal to get WWs is fine, but be careful about offering bullets. Since you're agreeing up front to get something in return for the bullets you made, the Feds might decide, and I suspect properly, that you are now contractually agreeing to sell bullets and require you to have the FFL. (I know, I know, no money exchanged hands but "selling" is a broader concept that covers all exchanges and not just the exchanges involving green pieces of paper or bits in a bank account.) I'd stick with offering only cash and the pick-up service to keep things simple instead of being possibly open to interpretation.


I paid the $30 for that license and none of them around here shoot. I'm legal, but it doesn't help.

One thing I can tell you with a great degree of certainty is that if you find a regular source keep it on the down low.

[RustyFN]

I am with the others. You have to get out face to face, you won't get WW's on the phone. I went to a lot of places and heard the same things you are hearing. Just don't give up and it will pay off. I have three places that give them to me for free. I don't get a lot but at least they are free. I have another place that is selling them to me, $20 for a full bucket. I am the only one he is selling to.
Rusty

[trickyasafox]

I gotta pay by me. I don't even try to get free- I walk in and say hi- I want to buy your used ww, is someone around I can ask about it?

[Glooooock]

I think a bus or truck tire service depot is where I had luck . Just say you cast sinkers - lead hammers . Find out what beer they drink , return the bucket with a 12 pack in the bucket . From now on your the lead/beer guy .

[Trooperdan]

I give 'em a pre-paid Pizza Hut card and tell them to have lunch for the boys on me! A $25 card for every other bucket keeps them on their toes! I noticed I get a LOT less trash in the bucket when I started doing that too!

[blueline541]

Blue polyester and a white Crown Vic work well also.