40 major

[4eyes]

Major in limited: 40 cal

4.3/4.4 Tite with a 180 gr bullet from a 5" gun.

Ask Koski for major with Uniq. Check data books because he claims to shoot 20 PF over major. Smileys from his G35 won't allow resizing.

;)

[VN350X10]

4.9 gr Vhit N320 w/a 180 gr makes it easily out of a G22 or a 1911 platform.

uncle albert

[Murphy's Law]

Even as low as 3.2 with 180gr will cycle a G23 perfectly with Titegroup

[SnooseGoose]

4.4 gr vv-320 under 180 MG HP, CCI 500, 1.135 OAL makes major out of my G24 with LW barrel.

SG.

[Flexmoney]

4.9 gr Vhit N320 w/a 180 gr makes it easily out of a G22 or a 1911 platform.

uncle albert

That seems a bit high...and you might be talking about two different OAL's for those guns mentioned?

[Flexmoney]

Even as low as 3.2 with 180gr will cycle a G23 perfectly with Titegroup

That is pretty far from MAJOR.

I ran 3.5g of TG @ 1.135OAL with Zero 180JHP in my G35 for a minor load. It ran 135+ power factor. Probably best to go down in spring weight from stock to do so.

[Steve Koski]

Just a pinch of Unique is all you need to make major in .40.

[Jim_M]

Hello everyone!

Limited Major
G35
180gr TC moly coated from "Billy Bullets"
WSP
mixed brass
4.3gr TiteGroup
978 fps (105* in the shade when tested last summer :()
Around 177 PF


Open Major (work in progress)
G35
135gr FP Rainier plated
WSP
mixed brass
8.7gr Longshot
1271 fps (80* in the shade when tested yesterday)
Around 168-170 PF
Going to bump this one up .2 for good margin.

Jim M

[VN350X10]

Hi Kyle !
Yeah, the 4.9 is a touch on the warm side, but we shoot a LOT of steel & it's insurance !
For the 1911 platform pistols, I load them to 10MM length, also for Brian's G20 w/ 40 conversion barrel in open. The 40 brass clears the optic mount easier than a 10MM case.
I run this load in my own G22 for L-10, no problems, ever. It does launch the brass a bit thou....

uncle albert

[Steve Koski]

Albert - Bless you for shooting manly loads.

Koski

[VN350X10]

Steve, I've only had ONE failure to feed in any of my Glocks, & that was when I tried to make a "gamer" load for my G20.(IDPA match)
It ran fine in testing, but in a shoot on the move scenario, as I was backing up, it was enough loss of slide momentum to stall it.
I admit, it WAS a rather embarresing moment, & the screw up broke my concentration on the stage.
That was also the last time I used under factory spec ammo in a match.
My L-10 loads for the G20 make a PF of 214 with a 155 gr JHPT !
This is under Norma, but beats everybody elses factory 10MM easily. There's no need for DT for match shooting, but I get close to his power level.

uncle albert

[Steve Koski]

Yeah baby!

I occasionally get weird looks at IDPA matches. It may not be from my ammo though. It could be due to my poor personal hygeine. Either way, it makes me smile inside.

I'd rather drop a few places than shoot pansy ammo at "real" matches.

That said. I do occasionally shoot an entire "fake" match with pansy ammo. But I justify this to myself as a method to increase speed and decrease flinching.

I've found that I can believe anything, if I repeat it to myself long enough.

[VN350X10]

That's why you're a salesman Steve !

Happy & safe 4th Buddy !

later,

albert

[Jim_M]

I had some "new" Unique laying around. I loaded up 5.1grs using a 180gr black bullet. It made major. It did not suck. I was pleasantly surprised. Soft, no smoke and no where near as dirty as some have lead me to believe. I'll be.


Jim

[soundwave]

Is WSF practical for shooting .40 Major/Limited?

Just wondering for the future. Would b using a G35 FWIW.

[Steve Koski]

Sure. It's probably not the gamiest powder around, but it'll make major with plenty of safety margin (PF wise and pressure wise).

[Joe D]

I like Clays in .40 - soft and clean.

[Matt M]

So what powder should I go to next in .40 MAJOR??? I am all out of Titegroup and it was pretty smokey anyway. I use WST for .45 major (1911 and 625) and I use Clays for .40 minor in ESP and production (G22 and XDM).

[Steve Koski]

Duh, UNIQUE!

(It's not the gamiest powder around, but make Major easily, and it ROCKS!)

[VN350X10]

Look at the loading manuals......Just about any powder can make major in a .40, use one that fills the case with the bullet you plan to use & you can't drop a double charge, while at the same time making your load more consistant in velocity. The burning rate stays stable & constant without air space in a case.

uncle albert
ps...
If you shot a 10MM, I've only found 1 (one !) published STARTING LOAD that DIDN'T make major, and that was using a 135 gr bullet. 10MM is a major caliber, period !

uncle albert

[Matt M]

Yeah Albert that's another reason for getting away from the TG, as most of you know it doesn't fill the case much on a .40 major and one of my shooting buddies recently had a double charge in his G35 while I was running the timer. Luckily I was far enough back it did not hurt me but he got a face full of chamber and a cut up hand. Obviously we all need to watch closely but it would be nice to have a powder that would overflow the case with a double.

[VN350X10]

Try Vhit N320 or N330 with a 180 gr.
I use 4.9 of N320 in my G35 for L-10, makes about 172-174pf.
Double is impossible, case will only hold about 6.8 level w/top.

uncle albert

[Matt M]

Try Vhit N320 or N330 with a 180 gr.
I use 4.9 of N320 in my G35 for L-10, makes about 172-174pf.
Double is impossible, case will only hold about 6.8 level w/top.

uncle albert
Never tried the Vhit powders, in fact I don't know of anyone around here that runs any. How is the recoil impulse?

[VN350X10]

recoil is smooth, not jarring & they are the MOST temp. stable powders I have ever used.
example...
My G34, production, Area5, 2005. Our squad went over the chrono, temp was approx 105* F. Velocity was right at test vel. fired @ 75* F 2 weeks earlier.
Late Nov., sect match in WI, squad over chrono early in AM, temp approx 38* F....freezing cajones off, velocity was approx 4 fps higher than @ 105* F, 2 differernt chronos are usually going to be off more than that.
I also am now using Vhit. powders in my varmint rifles, 220 Swift shows no pressure signs from 65* test here in IL to temps over 100* F in So.Dak.
Very stable & repeatable powders. Velocity difference is negligible when changing lots.
Try some, you probably won't go back. Extremely clean also, I clean my G34 once every box of bullets. (Rem 115 gr JHPT come 2000 in a box !)

uncle albert

[Matt M]

Thanks for the info Albert, I'll give the 320 a try....

[VN350X10]

Glad to help !
Let me know how it shoots for you, I've had nothing but excellent results with Vhit.
Now if I could only shoot as well as the equipment works.......


later,

albert

[Gary Newport]

Sure. It's probably not the gamiest powder around, but it'll make major with plenty of safety margin (PF wise and pressure wise).

Steve, back in my pre-Dillon days, I used Unique for .45 ACP (those were also my pre-GAP days :)). One thing I did NOT like about Unique was the inconsistency of thrown powder charges (using an RCBS measure). As I recall, sequentially-thrown charges could vary by about .2 - .3 grains! :yikes:
In contrast, W231 (a ball powder) was usually within .1 from round to round. That experience led me to swear that I would only use ball powders -- an oath I haven't quite kept.

On my Dillon, both Ramshot True Blue (a ball powder) and Bullseye (not a ball powder) don't seem to vary much at all. Does Unique meter better in Dillon measures?

[Steve Koski]

No, you can still get .2 grain variations, a .3 range would not be out of the question.

But it's fluffy!!!

[MakeMineaP99]

Unique SUCKS! Get some Silhouette.

[Steve Koski]

Silhouette is banned in 42 states.

[MakeMineaP99]

I'm an outlaw!

[Steve Koski]

And a flibberdygibbit

[Gary Newport]

No, you can still get .2 grain variations, a .3 range would not be out of the question.

But it's fluffy!!!

...or flakey, depending on one's point of view! :yuk:

[Steviewonder1]

Now that I am getting back into IPSC the power floor has been lowered by 10, it should be easier to get my 40 to major. I am using Unique and have 4 sets of 10 200GR loads I will be testing this weekend in my new Glock 35 with aftermarket barrel. I will report what works best with the least.

[Steve Koski]

SW - New major with Unique is a piece of cake, esp from a 35!

Use at least a couple grains, so you can hear it go boom.

Koski

[Timberwolf]

Never tried the Vhit powders, in fact I don't know of anyone around here that runs any. How is the recoil impulse?

I prefer N320 for 9mm and 40.

My 40 load is 4.6gr/N320 under the 180gr Frontier CMJ loaded to 1.140" OAL. It gives me a PF of 172.

The recoil impulse is straight back with little to no rise at all. It's softer than my 4.6gr/TG load, which will give me a PF of 177.

[Steviewonder1]

4.8 Gr of Unique made major with a 200Gr plated bullet. The gun shot but failed to cycle with 3.5 Gr of Unique. 3.9 is a nice Bunnyfart load.

[Steve Koski]

Cool! See, Unique ROCKS!!!

[Brass Nazi]

Didn't they make a cartridge a few years back that was a slightly lengthened .40 that used a large pistol primer? I am sure that you could put a little more Unique in that case than you can a standard .40.

Too bad it faded into history.

[Gary Newport]

Didn't they make a cartridge a few years back that was a slightly lengthened .40 that used a large pistol primer? I am sure that you could put a little more Unique in that case than you can a standard .40.

Too bad it faded into history.

:biggrinjester:

[VN350X10]

Yeah.......

It's called a ".38-40 Rimless"

I shoot it for Urban Cowboy matches. Great 6-gun round !


uncle albert

[Brass Nazi]

38-40 rocks with the exception of the thin mouths.