Legal to make my own SRB? (approved!)

[Trooperdan]

I'm picking up my GSG-5 tomorrow and I'm thinking really seriously about making it into a suppressor SBR. Would it be legal for me, after I have the approval, to shorten the barrel myself? I'd still have to have Gemtech mod the barrel for their Outback suppressor so I might not save enough to even worry about it.

Way to turn a $440 rifle into a $1025 rifle!

SBR tax $200
Suppressor tax $200
Suppressor $325
mod barrel $150

[freakshow10mm]

Yes you can shorten the barrel yourself with approved F1.

[MakeMineaP99]

You many shorten the barrel to any length below 16" provided you notify ATF of your intent (form 1) and pay the making tax. Once you received an approved form 1 with tax stamp back from ATF, you may then proceed.

Barrel length is measured from the bolt face to the muzzle. The ATF method involves taking a dowel and sliding it in the barrel until it hits the bolt face face, then marking the dowel at the muzzle. The distance from the end of the dowel to the mark is the barrel length.

[ronterry]

Hey, was there anything about having to engrave name, and address on the barrel, or is that just manufacturer of a receiver?

Thinking about legally doing my Thompson semi-sub fun gun...

[MakeMineaP99]

Yes. When you are filing a form 1, you are manufacturing the firearm (firearm defined by the NFA), therefore, you need to engrave or mark, in accordance with 27 CFR, your name, city and state on the firearm.

You do use the manufacturer's original markings when filing the form 1 (make, model, caliber, serial number).

[freakshow10mm]

You might be able put in for a variance and use the original serial number. Otherwise just add something to the original, but don't alter it.

[ronterry]

Ok, I thought I remembered having to imprint the goodies when making it into an NFA gun.

Thanks guys,

[MakeMineaP99]

You might be able put in for a variance and use the original serial number. Otherwise just add something to the original, but don't alter it.

When using an existing firearm for an NFA firearm, the original markings and serial number are not altered (you enter these on the Form 1).

The NFA only stipulates an name, city and state must be marked on the firearm.

Ex. A Glock is SBRed on a Form 1 so a stock can be used. The original markings are uneffected (as put on by Glock, entered on the Form 1), but the name, city and state of the person (LLC, corp,trust, legal entity) making the NFA firearm must be marked as required by the NFA.

[freakshow10mm]

I'm probably getting my class 2 stuff mixed up. If I F2 something I have to put in for a variance to use the original SN.

Example: If I buy a Bushy lower and build it into a registered receiver M16, I have to mark it and SN it, but if I want to just mark it and use Bushy's SN, I have to request ATF permission.

[MakeMineaP99]

It's all good. We'll let it go this time. ;)

On a side note, check your email.

[MakeMineaP99]

I'm probably getting my class 2 stuff mixed up. If I F2 something I have to put in for a variance to use the original SN.

Example: If I buy a Bushy lower and build it into a registered receiver M16, I have to mark it and SN it, but if I want to just mark it and use Bushy's SN, I have to request ATF permission.

Yep, see section 7.4 of the NFA handbook for more details.

For those of you wondering about markings for NFA firearms, take a look at section 7.4 of the NFA handbook.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_handbook/chapter7.pdf

[freakshow10mm]

Cool. I printed off a schematics and got the part numbers down. I'll need my SOT to order them, but I can get all the parts for $78 (dealer cost is cheaper) plus shipping. I wonder if a set of these would be transferable or not? Probably not for $78.

[MakeMineaP99]

We're talking M2 parts or AR parts?

[freakshow10mm]

Dan, reference 7.3.3.2

So I can take a DEWAT, make it functional, and it becomes transferable?

[freakshow10mm]

We're talking M2 parts or AR parts?
M2 parts.

[MakeMineaP99]

All DEWATs were on the registery before May 19, 1986, so they are all transferable. The DEWAT goes Form 5, since no tax is due on DEWATs (same form used for estate transfers when no tax is due). Once the DEWAT is a REWAT, a form 2 must be filed by the 07/02. Then a Form 3 or 4 must be filed and tax paid as applicable for the REWAT to transfer.

Reactivating DEWATs is tricky at best, it takes a delicate touch. I won't advise trying this at home. There are a very few select gunsmiths that specialize in the REWATs.

DEWATs sell for close to the price of transferables, you won't save much, if you're looking to get a Thompson, 1919, etc.

[MakeMineaP99]

M2 parts.

The M2 parts are not transferable. Remember, you are assembling the kit, once all seven parts come together, you have a new "manufactured" MG (conversion kit).