would you give up reloading?

[sparky241]

ok in illinois they now have serial #'s on all ammo and can no longer reload,now my question to you is would you sell the press or hang onto it for shtf? or did you loose the press in a boating accident?

[MakeMineaP99]

Press?

You mean my boat anchor in the corner?

Did this crap pass? Where's Unlce Albert? He's going to be pissed/

[lcarreau]

Its a nutcracker, right?

[pastprime]

What do you do with all the ammo you bought last year?????

Does the state buy it from you or just trade you one for one for the #'d stuff???

[lcarreau]

How far would you go to protect your Lee hand loader, or your LM? When they kick down your door will the atf really think you could make ammo with them?

[sparky241]

What do you do with all the ammo you bought last year?????

Does the state buy it from you or just trade you one for one for the #'d stuff???
well from the guy i work with he said you have till 2010 to get rid of it.Either shoot it or turn it in. What worries me is what will i do with the garand?you can only shoot military ammo out of it because of the risk of slam fires

[sparky241]

How far would you go to protect your Lee hand loader, or your LM? When they kick down your door will the atf really think you could make ammo with them?
im curious about that to? how far are they gonna go with this crap?

[lcarreau]

im curious about that to? how far are they gonna go with this crap?

My guess is the 1050 folks need to worry. We all know how long those will last in the evidence locker.

-Lonnie

[sparky241]

Press?

You mean my boat anchor in the corner?

Did this crap pass? Where's Unlce Albert? He's going to be pissed/
yes id did pass http://jerrythegeek.blogspot.com/2008/01/encoded-ammunition-bills-illinois.html

[sparky241]

i didnt know this but it looks like indiana is headed that way to

[freakshow10mm]

Remember 'Slick's post on GTR when he exposed that this legislation is being started by a single company. They applied for the patent for this process and with such legislation, they will have a monopoly over all ammunition. This is a profit motivated bill.

[freakshow10mm]

im curious about that to? how far are they gonna go with this crap?
Only as long as we let them.

[pastprime]

And who is going to check all the ammo fired to make sure it has ID's ????

[freakshow10mm]

yes id did pass http://jerrythegeek.blogspot.com/2008/01/encoded-ammunition-bills-illinois.html
Where does it say it passed? As an ammunition manufacurer, this is of concern to me. As a gun owner, this is insanity.:mad2:

[MakeMineaP99]

i didnt know this but it looks like indiana is headed that way to


That bill died after the first reading. IN ain't changing on time soon. We're trying to get school carry legalized.

[MakeMineaP99]

Where does it say it passed? As an ammunition manufacurer, this is of concern to me. As a gun owner, this is insanity.:mad2:

That blog isn't the most credible source. Anyone have a news article link or a link from the NRA?

[freakshow10mm]

I did searches on NRA-ILA and nothing.

[MakeMineaP99]

I did searches on NRA-ILA and nothing.

Same.

[MullahElRon]

Throw pooh like a monkey.

[WalterGA]

I just can't imagine the IL mentality. I won't be giving up my reloading, because I don't live in a state populated by dumbasses who'd expect me to give up reloading.

[yammerschooner]

The times they are a changing.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

I'm gonna start packing me a pair of 1860 army cap 'n ball blackpowder revolvers,let's see them regulate that.

[sparky241]

That bill died after the first reading. IN ain't changing on time soon. We're trying to get school carry legalized.

Are you sure?I would sleep so much better if i knew for sure.

[sparky241]

Where does it say it passed? As an ammunition manufacurer, this is of concern to me. As a gun owner, this is insanity.:mad2:


http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/95/HB/09500HB4259.htm

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Just means that the ammo manufacturers are going to give a big :dita: to selling ammo there and if they have a hair on their ass they won't sell to LE either. Kind of along the same lines as Barrett give CA the finger about working on their .50s since they outlawed them.

[MakeMineaP99]

Are you sure?I would sleep so much better if i knew for sure.

Look here:

http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2008&request=getActions&doctype=HB&docno=1260

[sparky241]

Just means that the ammo manufacturers are going to give a big :dita: to selling ammo there and if they have a hair on their ass they won't sell to LE either. Kind of along the same lines as Barrett give CA the finger about working on their .50s since they outlawed them.

yeah i thought i had heard something about that. I would love to see this happen especially to the law enforcment. Then i think their attitude would change

[sparky241]

Look here:

http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2008&request=getActions&doctype=HB&docno=1260

heeew glad to hear it. thank you for the reassurance

[Anvil]

ok in illinois they now have serial #'s on all ammo and can no longer reload,now my question to you is would you sell the press or hang onto it for shtf? or did you loose the press in a boating accident?

Do you think law enforcement officers will enforce a law like that?

We have a saying.... "You see and you don't see.". I won't ticket a car with no headlights due to it having the front end been smashed up in an accident and headlight repair being impossible from the damage. (I see cars like that really often).

Is it a violation? Sure it is. You can't make me write that ticket though.

I don't think anyone in law enforcement gets into "the job" to violate people though there are ALOT that would!

30% of us ain't worth ****! It's the others I relate to.

[sparky241]

you sir i my kinda cop :thumbsup:

[SWAMPMASTER]

Do you think law enforcement officers will enforce a law like that?

We have a saying.... "You see and you don't see.". I won't ticket a car with no headlights due to it having the front end been smashed up in an accident and headlight repair being impossible from the damage. (I see cars like that really often).

Is it a violation? Sure it is. You can't make me write that ticket though.

I don't think anyone in law enforcement gets into "the job" to violate people though there are ALOT that would!

30% of us ain't worth ****! It's the others I relate to.

Yet another officer with common sense

[DssG19]

I didn't realize any state passed the bullet serialization BS. Thats just gonna keep ammo out the hands of law abiding citizens. How much does serialized ammo cost? what do they do background checks? I see the burglary rate skyrocketing in the next few years. The criminals are going to have to get ammo from somewhere.

[Phunahm]

FWIW I wrote to the POS company with the patent on that BS:dita:...No reply chicken Sh*ts:cuss: I don't care what lame bills pass they aren't getting my guns or my equipment I WILL FIND A WAY AROUND IT.....

[Crazy4nitro]

If I lived in Illinois I would Dust off the Cross Bow or Compound Bow.

Oh My I would love to see the Caliber Corner Group worry about Penetration there.:dita:

'Nitro

[Anvil]

I WILL FIND A WAY AROUND IT.....



Think... moonshiners

[yammerschooner]

Fast cars and bullets, does it get any better?

[Oreo]

In the link provided to the bill here, I didn't see anything that prohibited the posession of uncoded ammo. It was only the commercial manufacture that was an issue. So, as I read it, reloading would still be permissable. Just don't go selling your reloads.

[freakshow10mm]

Fast cars and bullets, does it get any better?
Fast women?

[Steve Koski]

Send all your lightly used Loadmasters to me. Esp if set up for 40.

I'll cover freight.

[yammerschooner]

happily married to a woman who goes at the same speed I do.

[MakeMineaP99]

happily married to a woman who goes at the same speed I do.

Quite an accomplishment,

<---NOT marriage material.

[yammerschooner]

I wasn't either. I met mine while she was bailing me out of some trouble.

[bhawkeye]

would you give up reloading?

Hell NO! If it looks like some bs law like this might pass in Kali, I'll buy enough components to last me (if figure another 20 yrs should do), get set up for casting, & spend the rest of my budget on guns.

The U.S. constitution acknowledged my right to keep & bear arms - NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY FROM ME! :dita:

[Phunahm]

I just read this on the NRA Illinois legislation.....any one hear this?

One piece of good news came, surprisingly, from the House Executive Committee. While this committee regularly reports out anti-gun legislation, it rejected House Bill 4259 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4259&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=34703&SessionID=51), an ammunition serialization/encoding bill. This is just one of several bills that seek to implement this new gun control scheme, and while all remain alive, technically, the vote this week in Executive Committee casts serious doubt on their future viability.

[Washington,D.C.]

I can't get many suppliers to ship components to me. I have to stock up at gun shows and bring them home after dark on the subway. After 9-11 there are explosives sniffing dogs on the subway now. I always wonder if the powder leaves any scent for them.

[colorado4wheel]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=4259&GAID=9&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=34703&SessionID=51

So far it has not passed. It's back in the rules committee. People need to get busy e-mailing and writing letters to your congressman.

[myg30]

Get the PVC pipes and caps and start to bury your stuff before shovel prices go up !!

[layusn1]

Seriously...if I couldn't reload I would either move or say screw it and sell everything...firearms too. They will eventually find some way to price us all out. But I do wonder this...hows about an anti monopoly suit against the company with the patent? Shouldn't other companies be able to offer the same process as well, at a lower fee? Shouldn't you be able to start your own company and serialize your own bullets? What law says the serial number has to match a specific format that only one company is allowed to use? Maybe a cost war drive the cost down to being pointless and the bill could get repealed. I know I'm dreamin..but still..

[myg30]

I can't get many suppliers to ship components to me. I have to stock up at gun shows and bring them home after dark on the subway. After 9-11 there are explosives sniffing dogs on the subway now. I always wonder if the powder leaves any scent for them.

Carry peanut butter crackers in your coat pocket, The dogs love-um.

[RustyFN]

ok in illinois they now have serial #'s on all ammo and can no longer reload,now my question to you is would you sell the press or hang onto it for shtf? or did you loose the press in a boating accident?
Reloading, what's reloading?;)
Rusty

[MakeMineaP99]

Seriously...if I couldn't reload I would either move or say screw it and sell everything...firearms too. They will eventually find some way to price us all out. But I do wonder this...hows about an anti monopoly suit against the company with the patent? Shouldn't other companies be able to offer the same process as well, at a lower fee? Shouldn't you be able to start your own company and serialize your own bullets? What law says the serial number has to match a specific format that only one company is allowed to use? Maybe a cost war drive the cost down to being pointless and the bill could get repealed. I know I'm dreamin..but still..

Might be a good test for the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust acts.

[JLarsson]

Send all your lightly used Loadmasters to me. Esp if set up for 40.

I'll cover freight.

Didja' get a new boat, Steve?

[layusn1]

Might be a good test for the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust acts.

I agree...where is Craig when you need him? J/K