How will you interact with police/gov if SHTF?

[callahan318]

How will you interact with police/gov if SHTF?

Will you be friendly, cautious, kind, rude, what?

And why?

Do you believe that they are really there to help or not?

If so, why?

If not, why not?

(Not wanting to turn this into a bashing thread on cops, but I am curious) When a few responses come in, I will give you my own.

[Anvil]

This will be interesting and probably irritating.

[Pitmaster]

So much would depend on the SHTF scenario. Its in my nature to be helpful and cooperative. It would also depend on what they wanted how I was told. In general, I would think they would be giving reasonable instructions regarding safety and what to do. I would go along with them.

[freakshow10mm]

Honestly, the village officers would probably stop at my house and grab some more ammo. We are a self sufficient bunch up here. Katrina stuff happened up here, we roll wit it.

There would be two types of natural disasters in my area: whiteout/blizzard/frigid cold or an earthquake.

The last quake was in 1903 or there abouts. There is a fault line just off shore in Lake Superior when the continent tried to split in two (then glaciers came through, melted, filled the holes and we got the Great Lakes). The biggest worry about this area for safety in a quake is the earth caving in. There are a lot of mine shafts around here. If there was a good 5-6 Richter (sp?) you'd have a lot of those empty shafts close in and take several houses with it. Many homes are around the shafts. My house would probably safe but a lot of tunnels go under the villages too.

The other disaster would be a whiteout/blizzard, etc, but you are talking about an area that averages 400 inches of snow per winter, so it would take a hell of a lot of snow to shut our area down. Most residents have ATVs and/or snowmobiles, so mobility isn't much of an issue.

Most of the cops up here are gun guys/gals. If they got an order to confiscate weapons, they'd tell the cheif/sheriff to get bent. Just the way it is. They would see that as an unConstitutional request and not abide by it.

The officers up here are probably different in a sense than the rest of the country. They are all local boys/girls so this is all they know as home and a way of life.

In summary, the officers' main concern would be our safety. It is my strong opinion that they would not think of confiscating weapons, but actually encourage carrying them, as the ones I know tell me they are glad I carry every day. I think the most practical sense of "reasonableness" would be applied and they would still be LE, but be in a "community caretaker" role. I would cooperate with them as best as I can, but the Constitution still applies and my family's safety comes first and foremost.

[MakeMineaP99]

Every officer I've had crossed paths with has been professional. Be polite, courtious, and professional and you'll treated the same.

While this may be hard to believe, Katrina was a great learning experience. Everyone from the NOPD to FEMA learned a lot. I expect a situation in the future to be handled differently.

I wouldn't worry about having firearms confiscated. LEOs are busy people, especially when a disaster strikes. There first and primary responsibility with be their familys and help those who need help. The confiscation in NO was isolated, in the surrounding states, and in LA outside of NO, there were no problems. If you're not doing something stupid, like walking down the street shooting out street lights, you'll be fine.

[creekwalker]

In a true SHTF event you'll have little time to interact with LEO or Gov pogies as they'll be overstreached keeping order, food routes open and disaster centers running. Anyone who doesn't create problems or do something really dangerously stupid will recieve very little, if any attention. Katrina was bad, but far worse disasters could happen on down the line. Natural disaster's are not what cause me worry, man made one's have the potential to be far worse. I'd be far more concerned with other things than how to interact with LEO's folks.creekwalker

[918v]

No time to be polite when SHTF.

[MakeMineaP99]

No time to be polite when SHTF.

So what do you suggest?

[918v]

Protect yourself and your family. When cops roll in, do what you're told.

[mbradst]

Help with whatever I can be of assistance, comply with whatever orders of the authorities I feel have sufficient warrant, and under no circumstances will I surrender any weapons. I doubt that it would ever come to that.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Katrina seemed to prove pretty well that the people there that are supposed to "protect the people" are too busy protecting their own families. I can't blame them one bit for wanting to help out their own families after losing everything. Yes, it is their duty, but is their duty to their own families not more important? This is why I will worry about myself and have things on hand to do that, and not stand around with my hand out or call 911.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

When and Were SHTF is bound to happen, but when i think of SHTF im not thinking of ND's Im thinking of all out WAR, Invasion,ect. I have been threw my shares of ND's "natural disasters" and can take care of my self and family "and Montegod and crew" but if it come's down to hostile take over i have a secluded place already established. truck will get loaded with ALL gear and rations and off we go. i believe if it gets to that point LE will not be the one trying to establish controll. it will be governmental and we will only be in the way.

Take care of your own and await the resolution. BY no means would i give up any firearms and or ammo, nor rations. I grew up in HIGH country and can survive. my concearn would be of those that have no knowledge of surviving without a grocery store or starbucks, those people will be the ones that may bring us more harm. these are the people that cannot maintain themselves and will jepradize the out come.

I know this sounds a litttle rash, but i truely believe that this could happen.

did i go to far?

my .02:patriot:

[Jammer Six]

How will you interact with police/gov if SHTF?

Will you be friendly, cautious, kind, rude, what?

And why?

Do you believe that they are really there to help or not?

If so, why?

If not, why not?

(Not wanting to turn this into a bashing thread on cops, but I am curious) When a few responses come in, I will give you my own.
The same way I always do, of course.

[Oreo]

I agree with BigGunGoBoom.

However, in spite of Katrina, I'm not so sure all LEO's will have gotten the memo on weapon confiscation in future similar events. This could make for some challenging situations if one finds you defending yourself with one & tries to confiscate it... do you obey? How would you plan to resist? Legal, constitutional or not, when the LEO's ordering you to give up your weapon there's not going to be a good outcome in the near term.

[Jammer Six]

I'd make them welcome.

People are the ultimate resource.

What's wrong with you people?

[sparky241]

What would i do? The cops around here would probable carry out a canfiscation if ordered to. Thats why very few people around here know what guns i have. I would hide some and keep as low of a profile as i can and avoid leo if possible.

[sparky241]

I'd make them welcome.

People are the ultimate resource.

What's wrong with you people?

we are worried they will carry out unconstitutional orders. like they did in katrina. If it happened once it could happen again

[Steel Talon]

Avoid areas of marital law.

Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family.

Have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.

ST~:coolgleamA:

[creekwalker]

Steel Talon,

Great post. Summed it up in a nut shell, don't be noticed, keep a low profile. The only thing I'll add is don't count on your retreat or actionplan as being a sure thing. Have a back up plan and other option's. If things are really bad safety might very well best be within a small community or grouping of peers.

cw

[thorn]

Speaking broadly... until local and federal LEOs proved me otherwise, I would comply with legal/moral instructions and requests and aid in recovery as I was able. That might mean helping supply LEOs with whatever I might have to spare (ammo-wise), or it might just mean helping move pallets of food off of trucks.

If it became Katrina-like (confiscation, etc) I'd simply leave the area - preferably before said event happened. I'm not a hunker-down-protect-my-condo-downtown-all-all-costs sort of person. If it were Red Dawn Part 2, I expect the police/govt would welcome any assistance I could offer... which again, might include either shooting things or merely helping make sure that kids get enough water.

I have numerous destinations - family/friends - that i could travel to. Hurricanes, storms, etc - these are basically temporary problems, and I'd rather not deal with such problems using permanent (and perhaps unsavory) solutions.

thorn

[mitchshrader]

given that was the job they were doing, and not merely the job description they took a paycheck for.. i'd give any civil servants the same respect they get now by default.

if they were NOT DOING that job, then i'd respond to them as seemed most in my immediate self interest..

if attacked, I defend. I sure as heck would avoid conflict if possible. WHO, on the other hand, attacks.. ain't so very relevant.

i don't get to pick em.

[hugginsvilleH&A]

our plan is if I'm at work , my wife is to throw the kids in the van which we keep gassed up( ouch @ 3.50 gal x 35 gallons) and haul ass to the farm and get out of the city, and I will find my way there ASAP, if I'm there it will be the same situation,,, when 9-11 hit we were locked down at the airport for a while till they could figure what the hell was going on , it was very eery here in ATL not a freakin thing in the sky but birds and the occasional fighter, thats says alot from a place that launches over 2000 flights a day here , kinda of what it would be like when TSHTF, if they had a katrina style deal here it would make katrina look like a girl scout cookie sale, we have all the katrina types here only on a much grander scale say 4 miiiiillion +(for koski) for real

[zdogk9]

Protect yourself and your family. When cops roll in, do what you're told.

That is going to depend entirely on what I'm told, and the manner in which I'm told. Unless martial law is declared there is really not a whole lot they can tell me to do.

[Steve Koski]

I say warning shots when they enter the county.

[Jammer Six]

That is going to depend entirely on what I'm told, and the manner in which I'm told.
Well, if they start screaming at you in a manner you find highly objectionable, can I have your brass?

[zdogk9]

Sure, it only 'bout a three hour drive for you. You do have a .465 monkey magnum, don't you?

[BigSlick]

I'm a tell em I know 918 an Anvil an aks where I get a sandwich an a cold drank in da shade while I watch em rough up civilians

[blueline541]

I'll be the cop with the tommy gun. If you see me, stop and say hi.

[cvfl]

I have a hard time believing that a LEO in TX would carry out a confiscate order.

I know a lot of the local guys here - and they all know we're armed - and they usually stop and say hey if they're on beat and we're out in yard. I honestly couldn't be happier, or more confident in my town LEOs.

I would definitely be co-operative, short of giving up necessary food, supplies and ammo. If I have more than I think I need - I'm happy to share. Yes, alot depends on what's being asked and how - but I refer back to the fact that I don't think my LEO is going to try something they don't believe is for the greater good - and confiscation isn't gonna be that in these parts.

[Anvil]

When I first got in law enforcement it was durring the Gore / Bush election and I just knew in my heart that if Gore took the white house there would be a gun confiscation or worse, a ban on possession of ammunition. I entered law enforcement because I knew I'd never give up mine and being a LEO meant the govt would WANT me to have a gun and I figured when it came for me to be used as a actor on behalf of the govt to betray gun owners rights I could do a really bad job at it and nobody would know but me and I'd take the position that an otherwise zealous officer would have.


I truly believed it then. Now that I have some years under my belt I know that 90% of the police officers and deputies I work with won't do anything they think is dangerous, let alone something as antagonistic and possibly suicidal as trying to collect guns. That other 10% are usually rookies that learn very quickly what not to do when there are painfull consequences.

[918v]

When SHTF and you have adequate warning, you should take your family and your guns elsewhere. Sticking around to assert your rights is foolish. Trying to defend your property with law enforcement services in the area severely depleated is also foolish. Leave the area. Your life is worth more than your home.

[jawjaboy]

When SHTF and you have adequate warning, you should take your family and your guns elsewhere. Sticking around to assert your rights is foolish. Trying to defend your property with law enforcement services in the area severely depleated is also foolish. Leave the area. Your life is worth more than your home.

Premium point. Excellent advice.

Deep down in da black waters of da Okefenokee Swamp and da surrounding kazillion acres a pine 'n palmetto be aight won't it?

[MONTEGOD7SS]

The skeeters would be glad to have ya come by for a visit jawja.

[AlPackin]

The skeeters would be glad to have ya come by for a visit jawja.
ain't never bin but I hear tell that they got a wingspan down there

[MONTEGOD7SS]

They sound like a plane flying by. Just know that after dark, it's THEIR swamp, not your's.

[jawjaboy]

The skeeters would be glad to have ya come by for a visit jawja.

Y'all ain't talk'n to a da'gum rookie here now. I have disappeared fer days on end, swamp/river swamp, in my prime. Granny a tell ya. Honest. Skeeters? No problem. :wink5:

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Hmmm, only thing I can think is they don't like the taste of Miller Chill and the Beast that you're sweatin out. Can't be any other explanation.

[AlPackin]

must roll around in the crick mud to stave them suckers off

[MullahElRon]

How will you interact with police/gov if SHTF? Gonna keep 'em boogerfooed.

http://i29.tinypic.com/35ivcif.jpg

[jawjaboy]

Gonna keep 'em boogerfooed.

http://i29.tinypic.com/35ivcif.jpg



I did'nt post this. Fer da record.

[AlPackin]

I did'nt post this. Fer da record.
:animlol:

[yammerschooner]

Sadly, Fred is Dead.

Blueline, if I show up with some ammo can I run a couple of mags through the tommy gun? MMP99 looked like he had a pretty good time.

[Anvil]

Boogerfooed? Now THAT is funny!

[Jammer Six]

Swamp ain't no place to play.

They got CROCS in the swamp.

Crocs will EAT your ass. <shudder>

Tell me this: what would it look like, if you got drunk, wandered into the swamp, and a big-assed bull croc came roaring out of the night, ate your ass in one croc-gulp, and dove for deep water?

It would look like a missing person, that's what it would look like.

You got any unsolved missing person cases down in swamp land?

Yeah.

That's what I thought.

I ain't never stepping out beyond the street lights. Seriously.

We need a smiley for getting croc-ate.

[SWAMPMASTER]

Swamps r good, they just gotta know who the Master is

[Steel Talon]

Tell me this: what would it look like, if you got drunk, wandered into the swamp, and a big-assed bull croc came roaring out of the night, ate your ass in one croc-gulp, and dove for deep water?


Mr.Croc would wake up the next morning with a hella hangover:puke:

Peace
Steel Talon:coolgleamA:

[jawjaboy]

Swamp ain't no place to play.

They got CROCS in the swamp.

Crocs will EAT your ass. <shudder>

Tell me this: what would it look like, if you got drunk, wandered into the swamp, and a big-assed bull croc came roaring out of the night, ate your ass in one croc-gulp, and dove for deep water?

It would look like a missing person, that's what it would look like.

You got any unsolved missing person cases down in swamp land?

Yeah.

That's what I thought.

I ain't never stepping out beyond the street lights. Seriously.

We need a smiley for getting croc-ate.



Them gators know me. I know them gators. We understand each other. Not a problem really.

If'n dey crocs in da Okefenokee, I ain't seen one. :confused:

:sifone:

[MullahElRon]

Crikee!

[blueline541]

Sadly, Fred is Dead.

Blueline, if I show up with some ammo can I run a couple of mags through the tommy gun? MMP99 looked like he had a pretty good time.


Absolutely. I gots 20 round mags, lots and lots of 30 round mags (nice WWII era mags for $9 each - still happy about the price), and several 50 round drums (one is a sweet WWII number).

[blueline541]

Hey MullahElRon. If'n you tell me where you found the cool dunkin donut feller I'll make him a screensaver at work.

[Warhorse]

Protect yourself and your family. When cops roll in, do what you're told.
If what the cops tell me makes sense, fine, if not....it's back to protecting myself and family.

[Jammer Six]

Where does all this Walter Mitty stuff come from?

[Warhorse]

Where does all this Walter Mitty stuff come from?

Some police officers watching to many re-runs of "Cops" on the tube?
Who knows? But it's fun playing along with them. :dita:

[mbradst]

Where does all this Walter Mitty stuff come from?

I don't think many of us here are deluded daydreamers. Only interested in making sure that we can survive and not have our rights trampled if the SHTF. I do not believe that anyone here would want to hinder the police or try to get into a shootout with them. This is just a hypothetical discussion.

[Jammer Six]

I don't think many of us here are deluded daydreamers. Only interested in making sure that we can survive and not have our rights trampled if the SHTF. I do not believe that anyone here would want to hinder the police or try to get into a shootout with them. This is just a hypothetical discussion.
If you wouldn't "...hinder the police", then what are we talking about?

Would you hinder police now? If not, doesn't that mean that you wouldn't treat them any differently then as now?

If that's true, then there's nothing to discuss, right?

And if it's NOT true, then yes, I think there's a few "deluded daydreamers" here, although that's not exactly the same thing as Walter Mitty.

Walter Mitty, at least, was aware that his fantasies were fantasies.

[mbradst]

I do not think that this is just a question of how we will treat the police differently if something happens. It is also a question of whether the police will be treating us differently if something happens. New Orleans comes to mind.