Freak give us the scoop

[creophus]

Freak,

I'm seeing some ads about supplies are drying up and BUY NOW! Is it really that bad yet or is it just marketing?

I have a friend with a stripped lower that he got a while ago and is now looking to complete the rifle. He's concerned about supplies and what kind of prices to expect.

Anybody else got thoughts on this feel free to respond.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

How the hell could supplies being drying up, the election was two days ago! If any company wasn't prepared for this and doesn't have their warehouses busting at the seams with parts then it's their fault. You are going to see a lot of false backorders and price increases just to get fear and profit margins jacked up.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

cheaper than dirt "the scumbags they are" raised their prices on ammo yesterday 52% yes that's right, I didn't miss type.

[TowsonTiger22]

I'm looking at it this way right now. I'm gonna get a new lower to have around, maybe a .454, a Garand, and then concentrate on highpower stuff. I figure no ones gonna attack them quite yet. And really, I think I've got at minimum 2 years to get all the toys they might attack. There's too many other things they wanna work on before guns.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

I'm starting to think that a ban won't come into play until Obama's 2nd term.

[Oreo]

I think there's a reasonable chance he'll try to squeeze something like that in right up front just so he can bolster his position on claims of getting things done right from the start. With a strong dem majority it seems that an AWB would be easy legislation to enact quickly. It will get a lot of press & satisfy his libtard base that's salivating for a bone.

With that said, I'm thinking we've got a good 6 months at least. So, while panic buying isn't waranted, I think there's just enough time to handle your bidness quickly.

[ISUSteve]

Once Obama doesn't do what he got everybody excited about in the first term, they won't elect him again for a second. He won't do anything.

[Oreo]

I think he will though. 'Cause in reality he doesn't have to do much. Congress will keep setting him up for the slam dunk. All he'll have to do is sign the paper. He'll have the luxury of blaiming all the worlds lasting problems on Dubya's legacy while he takes credit for everything that satisfies his base since. We may not like it but there are a lot of people who will love it even if it's only 'cause they don't know any better.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

Oh, it's coming alright. Whatever they throw out there will get passed. It's just a matter of time. I just wonder if they are gonna call for confiscations of weapons that are already in the hands of people.....you know, eliminate the grandfather clause. I'm glad I don't have to worry about that as all of my stuff was sold or stolen over the years.

[Oreo]

I think we've got a long way to go before they start calling for the confiscation of currently owned weapons.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

Don't bet on it.

[Oreo]

I'd bet on it. There's too many other attractive alternatives that carry less repercussions.

Taxation, banning new purchases, banning private sales, banning new ammunition sales, banning component sales, etc all effectively achieve the same thing.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

speaking of component sales..How's that looking? I know everything else is getting gouged. My main thing I'm in need of is primers, bullets and powder.

[jtrade]

What? That is just ridiculous!!!!!!!!!

That is like gas gouging.

J

cheaper than dirt "the scumbags they are" raised their prices on ammo yesterday 52% yes that's right, I didn't miss type.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

What about Academy and their $2.99 a box 7.62X39???? Haven't made it that way yet.

[jtrade]

Heard it was good til December. Dunno though. Hope so cause on the way to TN I'm gonna stock up.

By the way. Got my spam can today, still pisses me off guy sold the rest. Thinking about opening it up!!!

J

[creophus]

Don't open that spam can! Leave it sealed until you really NEED it.

[jtrade]

Why? Dunno if they are on strippers or not.

I got another spam can that is unopened. Plus 750 rounds on strippers in the paper stored in an ammo can.

J


Would really like to open these but I'm not. Dont see sealed 4 packs of Chinese AK mags everyday!!!

http://guns.jtrade.us/images/chinesemags.jpeg

Don't open that spam can! Leave it sealed until you really NEED it.

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

be worth more if it stayed sealed....if you sold them that is.

[speedracer211]

Cheaper than dirt are scumbags. Look at the price of wwb 40 cal 100 round value pack. List price of $62. Yes $62 bucks. Or I love this pic.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/hommiedaklown/motivation/motivator6467140.jpg

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

$10 damned dollars a box!!!!!!!
Those bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[freakshow10mm]

Examples of this panic buying frenzy.

RSR had 49 count each MSAR 20, 30, and 42rd mags in stock at 9pm on Election Day. Tuesday morning at 7am they were in the negatives on all capacities.

Spikes raised their lowers $80 overnight to $179 retail. They got pwned on ARF.

Double Star sold over a thousand lowers last week. They are out. More due 2-4 weeks.

CDNN is getting hit hard for mags.

DPMS uppers are 9-12 months out with some rifles being a year or more. They just put an order in for 10,000 lowers and have half of them sold already.

Oly Arms has a 90 day wait on any upper or lower. Rifles are 6-9 months.

A few companies are ceasing consumer direct sales and just going dealer direct.

As far as I go, it's affected me a bit. Demand on Del Ton kits had me raise my prices. I found another vendor that might work out. I'm looking to assemble my own uppers by month's end. I'm sold out of every lower I have. I no longer sell reloading equipment. I no longer sell or manufacture ammunition. Currently right now my focus is my AR15 rifles and pistols for California. My problem is I don't have rifles and pistols in stock on hand to ship out and people want in stock RFN.

Anyone want to borrow me $5,000 with 5% interest every month until it's paid off? After two or three of those I'm self sufficient and I'll have my own $5K in profits to reinvest and work with. I'm looking at trying to borrow against my Blazer on a collateral loan for even $2500.

[jtrade]

If I had it Freak I'd damn sure let you borrow it!!!

It is just crazy the price increases already. Thank God I ordered my barrel & rest of the parts needed to finish my AR on election night!!!

I wish I could have afforded some 5.56 or .223 ammo before the election but couldn't. Least I got about 500 x .223 brass to work with.

J

Examples of this panic buying frenzy.

RSR had 49 count each MSAR 20, 30, and 42rd mags in stock at 9pm on Election Day. Tuesday morning at 7am they were in the negatives on all capacities.

Spikes raised their lowers $80 overnight to $179 retail. They got pwned on ARF.

Double Star sold over a thousand lowers last week. They are out. More due 2-4 weeks.

CDNN is getting hit hard for mags.

DPMS uppers are 9-12 months out with some rifles being a year or more. They just put an order in for 10,000 lowers and have half of them sold already.

Oly Arms has a 90 day wait on any upper or lower. Rifles are 6-9 months.

A few companies are ceasing consumer direct sales and just going dealer direct.

As far as I go, it's affected me a bit. Demand on Del Ton kits had me raise my prices. I found another vendor that might work out. I'm looking to assemble my own uppers by month's end. I'm sold out of every lower I have. I no longer sell reloading equipment. I no longer sell or manufacture ammunition. Currently right now my focus is my AR15 rifles and pistols for California. My problem is I don't have rifles and pistols in stock on hand to ship out and people want in stock RFN.

Anyone want to borrow me $5,000 with 5% interest every month until it's paid off? After two or three of those I'm self sufficient and I'll have my own $5K in profits to reinvest and work with. I'm looking at trying to borrow against my Blazer on a collateral loan for even $2500.

[speedracer211]

Never did like Spikes after meeting them at a few shows in Florida. The guys from Anvil Arms rock and their lowers are only $100 otd from them.

[jtrade]

Trust me they aint being open unless I need them in a shft storm. I can teel by feeling them that they are just "humpback" or ribless Chinese mags.

Got 26 others just like it to play with. ;)

J



be worth more if it stayed sealed....if you sold them that is.

[jtrade]

The Gun Show I went to in Tallahassee I went to they wanted $120 OTD for them. That was about a year ago. Still got one of Anvil Arms cards though. It's in the drawer beside me.

J

Never did like Spikes after meeting them at a few shows in Florida. The guys from Anvil Arms rock and their lowers are only $100 otd from them.

[jawjaboy]

Does this mean they won't be anything at my lil ol gun show Saturday?

Should I jes stay home 'n sweat it out?

:confused:
.

[jtrade]

Never know til ya go. But if I had to guess prices will be through the roof.

J

Does this mean they won't be anything at my lil ol gun show Saturday?

Should I jes stay home 'n sweat it out?

:confused:
.

[ISUSteve]

Maybe it will be $20 to get in too.

[jtrade]

I sent JJB an email to get $1 off the entrance fee. He can just print out 20 of em.


FWIW - AR lowers are still out there $86/each.

J

Maybe it will be $20 to get in too.

[MakeMineaP99]

J,

Can you forward the email to me too? I'll be going with JJB.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

The company's that are stand up company's aint screwing with people so far. but their are other company's that are turning into real scumbags... theres a big write up on it at AR-15.com...... Im gonna go to the guns show just to see what the prices are. Glad I orderd my upper from Del-Ton when I did. just hope I get it soon

[freakshow10mm]

Del Ton has a 65 order backlog from what I'm told. I have 3 kits, 70 LPKs, 10 stocks on order right now with them. Hopefully they will be in soon as I have customers waiting.

Double Star gave up answering the phone.

[freakshow10mm]

Brownells AR15 receiver page has crashed.

Server Error in '/' Application.

Server Too Busy

Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: System.Web.HttpException: Server Too Busy

Source Error:

An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.
Stack Trace:

[HttpException (0x80004005): Server Too Busy]
System.Web.HttpRuntime.RejectRequestInternal(HttpW orkerRequest wr) +146

Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.2407; ASP.NET Version:1.1.4322.2407

[Oreo]

Damn. Sounds like it's really hitting the fan out there. Gonna be a lot of well armed people by the time the ban passes.

[jtrade]

Done!

J

J,

Can you forward the email to me too? I'll be going with JJB.

[jtrade]

Folks on AR15.com are already paying $150 for stripped lowers.

J

[Oreo]

Thanks to Freak, I locked in two of'em that I'll probably have in hand for that price after shipping & transfer fees.

[AlPackin]

gotta believe you guys are over-reacting and artificially driving up prices ... still got time ....

[RugerFan58]

About 200 of us on the local gun forum {Northeastshooters.com} got together this past spring and ordered either stripped or complete lowers with the NES logo laser engraved on the mag well. I spent $151 for one of the complete Anvil Arms Lowers and last month Bushmaster has a sale on the 24" SS complete uppers for $570. I still have to figure out what to get for optics but won't have alot invested for a decent "Varmit" gun or property defense rifle. When I put it together I'll post a picture of it. Looks good in the plastic.:43:

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

Freak, Do you have any lowers in stock that are for sale? I also need to talk to you about a FAL, a buddy of mine was looking over your sight and was intrested in the Austrian. Do you know whats going on with them?

[freakshow10mm]

All sold out.

I have a Stag lower coming in next week. Have more on order. To snag this one buy the DS lower. Will be same price as the DS. Just put "Stag lower" in the comments box.

BTW, lowers are now going for $200-300 each. http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9&zenid=dc0d4b6b15ff1b81a0ed52fd9f844b70

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

BTW, lowers are now going for $200-300 each. http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9&zenid=dc0d4b6b15ff1b81a0ed52fd9f844b70

You have got to be chitting me.........
bastards!!!!!

[Oreo]

Is that for real?? Or is that just price gouging? You're not selling them for that price so something smells about it.

[freakshow10mm]

Nope, I have normal prices.

[ISUSteve]

Its price gouging. The major retailers aren't that high. In fact, most haven't changed much.

[freakshow10mm]

Want a good laugh? Head to budsgunshop.com and look in the upper right hand corner of how many customers are online.

[ISUSteve]

389 right now.

But what if they're online to see how many people are online instead of buying guns?

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

yea screw buds, I was looking for a Bushnell Holosight, they said they had the best price on it ....219.00. COOl so I go and put my BID in "they run that thing so stupid" and proceed to check out. If you dont pay CASH.... they charge an extra 7.50 and then shipping is 15.00?????? so that makes it 242.00 shipped !!! found it at another site for 229.00 SHIPPED.... buds is a freaking joke.

[freakshow10mm]

389 right now.

But what if they're online to see how many people are online instead of buying guns?
Suppose it's late. Earlier today they had almost 800.

yea screw buds, I was looking for a Bushnell Holosight, they said they had the best price on it ....219.00. COOl so I go and put my BID in "they run that thing so stupid" and proceed to check out. If you dont pay CASH.... they charge an extra 7.50 and then shipping is 15.00?????? so that makes it 242.00 shipped !!! found it at another site for 229.00 SHIPPED.... buds is a freaking joke.
Buds is very competitive. They sell Saiga .223s for $309 shipped. Dealer is $287 and they (Russian American Armory) doesn't cut it down until you get 50 rifles. I asked. Hell, dealer prices with shipping is more than $309.

Try getting through to them right now. I'm waiting for them to email me a postage slip for the Tikka 6.5x55 I am returning.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

I see, I am just saying that I wasnt impressed with the extra charges. But I guess that they have a good reason. I have looked at guns on their site and was impressed with the prices, just not this CASH thing that they did to me.

did you get my PM?

[freakshow10mm]

Yes. I'll have to look into it tomorrow. I'm heading to bed. Long day.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

cool thanks

[jtrade]

Want Lowers? This thread is open to all forums so I'll post it here.

I am thinking about getting 2-3 myself (thank god for the raise)

Double Star Lowers $78/each plus $11 shipping for 1-5 lowers.

http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19578

J

[Oreo]

Wow, that's an awesome price. Any of you guys holding out need to jump on this one.

[jtrade]

Trust me I am. May wind up getting 4-5 if I can swing it.

J

Wow, that's an awesome price. Any of you guys holding out need to jump on this one.

[MakeMineaP99]

Is that guy running it an FFL? If so, I think I'll get in and pick up a bunch on the way home since he's on the way to South Bend from GA.

[jtrade]

There are a couple FFL's involved. More details in the thread.

However, depending on when you are going home they may not be there yet. The total is well over 400 receivers at the moment. According to others Double Star has 0 at the moment. Will take him a while to get them I'm sure.

J

Is that guy running it an FFL? If so, I think I'll get in and pick up a bunch on the way home since he's on the way to South Bend from GA.

[MakeMineaP99]

Strike that then. I got other stuff I need to buy yet, like a Bridgeport.

[jtrade]

End Mil? If so good luck moving it.

J

Strike that then. I got other stuff I need to buy yet, like a Bridgeport.

[MakeMineaP99]

Silly, JT, I'm going to buy local, to save moving concerns.

[zipper046]

Stopped by a local shop near me. Shop had about 15 Bushmasters all starting at $1395 w/ flat top's & flip up sights....I stopped in at 2pm on Friday and he only had 3 left! He had 2 Colt's that went, including one pre-ban that he sold for $5800 (so I heard). The only AR's he had left was one Stag Left-handed (Model 2HL-T...the left-handed tactical one) for $1195 and 3 DPMS "Sportical's" for $750.

He also sold his 3 UT-15's from Wilson's and was placing 3 other UT-15 orders while I was there. It was insane!!

He also had new Trijicon ACOG scopes in and they were flying off the shelves for $1495 each!! I like ACOG's, but they are overkill for the civilian market!

Anyway. Thought I'd share with you the insanity of the Northeast (and by the way, I'm working with Freak on getting an AR...he's the bomb!)

Later!
z-

[MakeMineaP99]

$5800? Unless that was a register receiver, contained a RLL or RDIAS, the buyer got raped.

[ISUSteve]

I bet that price was in gun shop dollars. Divide by 4.

[MakeMineaP99]

Ah, sort of like the rule of 3s.

[jtrade]

New or old? Wish I could find an old belt driven Bridgeport that was in good shape. Dunno how the new ones are driven.

J

Silly, JT, I'm going to buy local, to save moving concerns.

[MakeMineaP99]

Old, I'm also looking for a South Bend.

Try Craigslist, there's lots of machine shops closing up these days, you'll probably find one closer to Atlanta or a larger city in FL.

[BIGGUNGOBOOM]

Freak, check PM box about lower

[zipper046]

$5800? Unless that was a register receiver, contained a RLL or RDIAS, the buyer got raped.

From my understanding 'twas a registered pre-ban Colt 6950 (?) with selective fire (don't know the RLL or RDIAS acronyms). Personally, don't know the Connecticut laws on that one, but it apparently went out the door. The whole pre-ban/post-ban regulations are a very fuzzy area for me (at least until I actually take the time to read them in-depth).

Even the other AR's, the Bushmasters seemed high, and the Stag Arms & Trijicon ACOG sights were all $300 over the online price I've seen.

[Oreo]

What's this pre-ban AR stuff? I assmume we're not talking about '86 full-auto ban.

[freakshow10mm]

Pre ban 86 is what it seems for that price range. Seems like at least 10 years ago or so when prices were around 5-6K for an M16.

[MakeMineaP99]

From my understanding 'twas a registered pre-ban Colt 6950 (?) with selective fire (don't know the RLL or RDIAS acronyms). Personally, don't know the Connecticut laws on that one, but it apparently went out the door. The whole pre-ban/post-ban regulations are a very fuzzy area for me (at least until I actually take the time to read them in-depth).

Even the other AR's, the Bushmasters seemed high, and the Stag Arms & Trijicon ACOG sights were all $300 over the online price I've seen.

If it is in fact a MG, there's no way it could have gone out the door in one day, a Form 4 takes at least a month, unless the Form 4 just came back and the guy was picking it up, which is possible.

$5800 for a select fire AR is way low. That's a lower end price for a RLL (registered lighting link, conversion of AR to Full auto only, with no change of parts), I'm wondering if someone needed money and made him a deal. It could also have been a pre 86 dealer sample going to another SOT.

RDIAS is registered drop in auto sear, which uses the same M16 FCG as a GI sear gun, but doesn't require milling and drilling to install the GI sear, hence the term drop in.

[zipper046]

If it is in fact a MG, there's no way it could have gone out the door in one day, a Form 4 takes at least a month, unless the Form 4 just came back and the guy was picking it up, which is possible.

It could also have been a pre 86 dealer sample going to another SOT.



could be. Not all that sure. All I know is when I was there, guy had just picked it up and paid the balance. Rest is conjecture and open to interpretation.

As for me, having trouble finding an FFL to get one of Freak's AR's. Nobody seems to want to transfer an out-of-state firearm if they can sell one of theirs off the shelves.

Although I do have a good offer on a complete lower. It's a Stag complete lower w/ 6 position stock (it's actually pinned due to CT state laws) for $200 (plus 6% CT tax). Not such a bad deal and it's here (ie: no transfer or wait).

z-

[ten thumbs]

Del Ton has a 65 order backlog from what I'm told. I have 3 kits, 70 LPKs, 10 stocks on order right now with them. Hopefully they will be in soon as I have customers waiting.

Double Star gave up answering the phone.


Check your PMs :):)

ten thumbs