Glock 38 "21st Century Luger?"

[HaMaccabee C.E.]

Glock Automatic Pistol, in the compact version, (Glock 38) has key similarities to the Luger P08 pistol. "Excluding" pistol action:

The G.A.P. (Glock 38) pistol features a sleek design to accommodate the .45 caliber in a 9mm sized pistol frame. Luger pistol was known for its sleek and comfortable fitting design.

The G.A.P. (Glock 38) pistol has superlative accuracy. Some say, the most accurate glock in production. The Luger pistol accuracy was excellent.

Glock, like it or not, has connections to the former "German Empire", via Austria. The same origin as the Luger pistol.

I expect the Glock Automatic Pistol to take on the "Luger pistol legacy" as a prized item, in the 21st Century.

I would like to hear from the Glockpost community regarding this subject.

[MakeMineaP99]

:lurk5: I'll sit back and let Gary Newport handle this one.

Welcome.

[blueline541]

Welcome to Glockpost.com.

I believe the GAP is held in special regard by the majority of the members here. It must be as much as it gets mentioned.

Did you happen to see what JLarson did to my tommy?

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Man, what a brave first post!

I will let everybody else handle this one.

[Steve Koski]

An 8 round gun? In 2009? You kidding me? You can get 13 rounds of .40 in that size package, or 15 rounds of 9mm.

[HaMaccabee C.E.]

An 8 round gun? In 2009? You kidding me? You can get 13 rounds of .40 in that size package, or 15 rounds of 9mm.

Well, capacity vs. caliber size is not my main concern regarding this topic. My main focus was the romantic reality of the G.A.P. (Glock 38) in relation to the coveted Luger pistol.

You can increase the round capacity of the G.A.P. (Glock 38) with aftermarket magazine extentions.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

They have been pretty mild so far. I didn't know anybody shot GAP, and dang sure didn't know anybody admitted it. If you shoot GAP at the range do you kick your brass around so nobody sees that you're shooting one? How about your hand, do they have to be frail and lady-like to shoot one? Just trying to figure it out.

There guys, that should get y'all started.

This is all said in fun. No it's not. Yes it is. I don't know.

[MakeMineaP99]

After having fired P08s, they plain hurt, have an overly complex toggle mechanism, have fragile magazines. Any Glock pistol, is a combination of good design elements from several designs. In short, the P08 was a pioneer, the Glock just some substitution made to arrive at the final answer. Apples to oranges, the Glock more resembles a BHP, than the Lugar. A far more fair comparision to would be the BHP or even 1911.

[Boge]

Must be a record here on GP: multiple replies and no "Gay And Proud" cheap shots about the GAP!! You guys are slippin'!!! Then I remembered CZ93X62 is probably asleep.

Seriously, the G38 is easily THE most accurate Glock I've ever shot/owned and I've shot a boat load of Glocks. I'll spare you the usual spiel on the GAP as you have all read it before. However, I challenge anyone who is anti-GAP to shoot one. The most virulent anti-GAP fella I knew at my local range used to bad mouth the GAP whenever I was present to get a dig in. One day I simply handed him my G38 with a box of my reloads and said "go shoot it". Well, he came back about 15 mins. later and apologized to me in front of the guys and said "that's incredible". He was a dyed in the wool 1911 guy. :)

To shoot the G38 is a wonderful experience unlike any other Glock IMO. So before you knock it, try it. You just might buy one.

[MakeMineaP99]

Now, now, leave Det. CZ alone, he was on the job something like 28 years, did homicide for a good portion of that too. As far as I'm concerned, that's enough to know your stuff.

[HaMaccabee C.E.]

After having fired P08s, they plain hurt, have an overly complex toggle mechanism, have fragile magazines. Any Glock pistol, is a combination of good design elements from several designs. In short, the P08 was a pioneer, the Glock just some substitution made to arrive at the final answer. Apples to oranges, the Glock more resembles a BHP, than the Lugar. A far more fair comparision to would be the BHP or even 1911.

Well, a comparison between BHP/1911 type pistols to a Glock or Luger would not be proper, because they were produced from different countries.

If you were lucky to obtain a Luger off a dead German soldier in WWII, would you complain to the fact that: it hurt when you shot it, or complain of a complex toggle mechanism, and fragile magazines and then give it away?

The Luger P08 pistol is a highly prized and coveted pistol in the 21st Century. Many feel the same way regarding the G.A.P. (Glock 38).:gun_guns:

[MakeMineaP99]

Fair enough. I don't care where the pistol comes from, I care about mechanics.

If I had a WWII P08 from the Battle of the Bulge, etc., it would be under glass. Certain firearms are kept around for historical value rather than shooting value.

I'm really scratching my head on how you draw that last conclusion. Have collectors started buying G38 up in quantity? I have never seen a G38 sell for $3000+. I fail to see how a G38 is any more valuable than any other Glock.

[freakshow10mm]

I shot a few of those Gay Ass Pistols. Hated them. Keep on polishin', that turd won't shine.

[Boge]

:)...If I had a WWII P08 from the Battle of the Bulge, etc...

There's an optometrist whom I know that has a Luger his dad brought back from the "Big One" and he said his dad was in the Bulge but I never asked him where his dad got it. I've shot it. Lugers are OK but the design is antiquated & awkward IMO. It's based on the toggle link action in the early Winchester lever actions. How's that? Hugo Borchardt worked for Winchester before he went to Sharps as Superintdt. (he invented the '78 Borchardt Sharps). Hugo returned to Europe and developed the Borchardt auto pistol with a toggle link and it's obvious that the Luger action is a flagrant copy.

Is the G38 the successor to the Luger? No. It's just a Glock that is designed for an efficient .45 cal. ctg. and has excellent over all handling qualities. Although there is a rumor that Garry Newport who posts here had his G38 blessed by the new German Pope and he's never missed with it since. Sort of a modern day Van Helsing.

[Boge]

I shot a few of those Gay Ass Pistols. Hated them. Keep on polishin', that turd won't shine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

[HaMaccabee C.E.]

Fair enough. I don't care where the pistol comes from, I care about mechanics.

If I had a WWII P08 from the Battle of the Bulge, etc., it would be under glass. Certain firearms are kept around for historical value rather than shooting value.

I'm really scratching my head on how you draw that last conclusion. Have collectors started buying G38 up in quantity? I have never seen a G38 sell for $3000+. I fail to see how a G38 is any more valuable than any other Glock.

Well, I draw my conclusions to the fact that, the G.A.P. is highly talked about in Glock circles, and the Luger being historically referenced in war movies and war literature. Both, in my opinion, have a romantic allure to them which makes for a nice topic subject.

Also, let Glock make a high-capacity magazine 20+ for the G.A.P. pistols, and you'll see Glock sell more G.A.P. pistols than we buy barrels of oil.

[MullahElRon]

$399. CDNN.

[CZ93X62]

Nah, not asleep yet--about to turn in, though.

I am just jerking people's chains with my smart-azzed comments about the 45 GAP. Just because a given design/caliber/platform doesn't fill a niche or fulfill a need for me doesn't make it superfluous in my eyes. The 270 is a hell of a fine rifle caliber--but I've never owned one, and have only put about 10 rounds out of one (1) bolt rifle so chambered.

Fact is--I reload 35 metallic calibers and 4 shotshell gauges. I cast bullets for most of the metallics, too. I need more calibers to ride herd on about like a trout needs a mountain bike. There won't be any 45 GAPs or 357 SIGs showing up here, because my safe is damn near full and my ammo cabinets are over-strained as it is. At this point in my firearms hobby sitch, a gun needs to be something special or specific to a given need for me to acquire it. I have 2 purchases planned for 2009--1) 30-06 bolt rifle, and 2) 45 ACP single-column magazine pistol--either a Colt Commander or SIG-Sauer P-220. 'Most everything else I've wanted I already have. Or have had, and found wanting.

Glock pistols are already "classics" by any reasonable measure, regardless of caliber. The Glock shares one other attribute with the P-08 Luger......instant worldwide recognition on sight. I think VERY highly of the Glock pistols, and if something I posted gave any other impression--I'd like to correct that here and now.

[Steve Koski]

Is the G38 more accurate, desirable, or popular than the G37? If so, why?

The G37's are selling for $399 at CDNN. Why (or why not) the G38's?

[freakshow10mm]

They aren't selling, they are for sale.)

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Well, I draw my conclusions to the fact that, the G.A.P. is highly talked about in Glock circles, and the Luger being historically referenced in war movies and war literature. Both, in my opinion, have a romantic allure to them which makes for a nice topic subject.

Also, let Glock make a high-capacity magazine 20+ for the G.A.P. pistols, and you'll see Glock sell more G.A.P. pistols than we buy barrels of oil.

Yes it it, but not in a good way. This site we are on is a "GLOCK circle" and the GAP is pretty much considered demon spawn by anybody without lady hands.

[Boge]

Steve, CDNN is selling the G37 AND the G38 for $399 a piece.

I will say this, if the new Lone Wolf aftermarket frame is everything they advertise it as, then the entire compexion of Glock will be changed for those who already own a Glock. I don't see it affecting new sales much, but I see people like us (confirmed Glockophiles) buying them. It has a 1911 grip angle for one, and everyone pretty much agrees that that angle is perfect for Homo Sapiens. I openly admit that if Glock had made a factory frame like that then the GAP would have never been made. Then again the XD & M&P would have been stillborn as well.

On GT & the SIG Forum right now there is almost a riot going on over the new Glock RT frame just introduced. Keep your eye on Lone Wolf as I think they have the right idea with their new aftermarket frame. :treerat:

[MakeMineaP99]

RF frame?

[blueline541]

Really Fantastic.

[Boge]

RF frame?

Correction made. It's RT for "rough texture" I believe.

[MakeMineaP99]

If I need it rough on my Glock, I'll buy some "skateboard" tape. I can't understand Glock.

[Boge]

Dan, ol' man Glock is ultra conservative and just like Ruger, when the ol' man dies, look out!! :)

[BoltNut]

I shot the "real deal" Luger back around 1977 when I was about 11-12 years old. It was supposed to be a WWII "brought back off the dead officer" relic, and I have no reason to doubt the storyteller's story.

I remember it being fun to shoot, even though I had "kid hands" at the time, and considered the balance to be unbeeeleeeeevable!

The only thing I've found to feel like that in comfort and accuracy was the first time I shot the Ruger Mark II... since then, our roommate has gotten the Mark III, and it feels even better in the tricked out wood grips.

I'm all for a Luger "look-alike / feel-alike" in calibers that are fun and cheaper to shoot... if it is from Glock... all the better.

[Boge]

For all you Luger nuts, here's a website of an Austrian Master gunsmith who makes .45 ACP Lugers from SCRATCH. He's a great guy to boot but he doesn't speak English. He made some revolver parts for me once as no one in the U.S. would mess with it. A German Cowboy Action Shooter buddy put me on to him.


http://www.nedbal.at/

[MONTEGOD7SS]

I love me a Luger and a .45ACP one, oh maaaaaaan!

[Gary Newport]

An 8 round gun? In 2009? You kidding me? You can get 13 rounds of .40 in that size package, or 15 rounds of 9mm.

Yeah, but neither of those is a .45, so who cares! :dita:

[Gary Newport]

They have been pretty mild so far. I didn't know anybody shot GAP, and dang sure didn't know anybody admitted it. If you shoot GAP at the range do you kick your brass around so nobody sees that you're shooting one? How about your hand, do they have to be frail and lady-like to shoot one? Just trying to figure it out.

There guys, that should get y'all started.

This is all said in fun. No it's not. Yes it is. I don't know.

Nope! I shoot my GAP Glocks with pride and gather up my brass secure in the knowledge that shooters of the old-fashioned .45 won't try to steal it!

[Gary Newport]

Yes it it, but not in a good way. This site we are on is a "GLOCK circle" and the GAP is pretty much considered demon spawn by anybody without lady hands.

Perhaps by a few without "lady hands" or much between the ears! :hereyago:

[Gary Newport]

Correction made. It's RT for "rough texture" I believe.

Textured for our pleasure?

[ede]

fact is everyone i know that ever used a GAP in competition (except Gary) has quit using them. as for the G38 the way i look at it is Glock screwed me over pretty good on it making it GSSF legal for Sub long enough for me to run out and buy one then after about three weeks banning the G38 from Sub. i sold mine without ever firing a round in it.

anyone who thinks the G38, or any Glock for that matter, is sleek must have a hard time seeing with their head up their ass.

[Gary Newport]

fact is everyone i know that ever used a GAP in competition (except Gary) has quit using them. as for the G38 the way i look at it is Glock screwed me over pretty good on it making it GSSF legal for Sub long enough for me to run out and buy one then after about three weeks banning the G38 from Sub. i sold mine without ever firing a round in it.

anyone who thinks the G38, or any Glock for that matter, is sleek must have a hard time seeing with their head up their ass.

I be an exception all right, Ed. I've used my G38 in the Monday Night Shooting League (only six rounds per string) and my G37 in USPSA Limited-10 and GSSF (got my best-ever score in 2007 with the G37). I'm planning to try some bunny-fart loads in IDPA SSP and USPSA Production with the G37. If Bill Wilson allowed .45 GAP in CDP, I'd be shooting my G38 in that division -- 8-round mags required!

[Boge]

Textured for our pleasure?

It's a gun Gary, not a French Tickler. ;)

[MullahElRon]

Dan, ol' man Glock is ultra conservative and just like Ruger, when the ol' man dies, look out!! :)
Then, Glock finally gonna be able to dominate the markets...Oh..wait...
:o

[ede]

gary truth is i'd still be shooting GAPs too if it wasn't such a PITA to keep ammo loaded and componets for another cartridge. i sold all my GAPs just to make my life simpler, along with the super 38s, .44s and 45 colts

[Gary Newport]

gary truth is i'd still be shooting GAPs too if it wasn't such a PITA to keep ammo loaded and componets for another cartridge. i sold all my GAPs just to make my life simpler, along with the super 38s, .44s and 45 colts

I manage to avoid that, since I only reload .45 GAP and ACP. I shoot 9mm too, but the factory ammo is still relatively cheap for that.

For those who haven't had the pleasure of reloading .45 GAP, I've noticed that the shorter, more efficient cases are easier to resize than the old ACP cases (I do NOT lube straight-walled pistol cases).

[MakeMineaP99]

You should try lubing your straight wall pistol cases.

[Gary Newport]

You should try lubing your straight wall pistol cases.

Nope, I'm also an LRB!

[MakeMineaP99]

Can't say I'm familar with that term.

[Gary Newport]

Can't say I'm familar with that term.

It's like "CRB" except with an "L" for "Lazy!"

[Boge]

Nope, I'm also an LRB!

Since you live near San FranSicko I'm afraid to ask, Gary. :rofl:

[Werdna]

Hey I have a piece of GAP brass :)

[BigSlick]

Did anyone notice BP is strangely absent from this thread ?

[MakeMineaP99]

Doesn't he have 16 of those GAPs too? Odd he would be absent.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

I thought his 1050 was dedicated to GAP only?

[Gary Newport]

BP is a smart guy!

[Steve Koski]

BP is shoveling snow off his roof. He'll be by in a week or two.

[MJC]

I certainly do love my G37 however.http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/images/smilies/smokin.gif