OK, so I'm late on the Class III wagon..

[Trooperdan]

I knew back in the '80 FA was going to be a good investment! Now I wish I had funded my FA collection instead of my Government 401K!
So I can't afford the American 180 I loved.. maybe I can afford a can! I'd like a nice silenced .22 for plinking out on the back 40; what should I be looking for?

[cohutt]

Gemtech outback
$300ish

Extremely lsmall & ight, titanium and aluminum, works well on 3 guns i've tried it on.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Gunporn015.jpg

[MakeMineaP99]

The registry may be reopening soon.

[Trooperdan]

Is the tax stamp for a can same as FA? IE, $200?

[MakeMineaP99]

Yes. Transfer tax on all NFA Firearms is $200, with the exception of AOWs, which are $5.

Making and Registration Tax, when done by a non SOT (on a Form 1), is $200 on all NFA Firearms, including AOWs.

[creophus]

The registry may be reopening soon.You really think so?

What are you basing that on, the supreme court decision??

[Trooperdan]

Cohutt, now that is a sweet looking unit! I checked out their web site; that integral top unit for the Ruger Mk1 looks great for a dedicated unit too! They have a few dealers in my state, I think I'll get the ball rolling on this!

[MakeMineaP99]

You really think so?

What are you basing that on, the supreme court decision??

Yes. If SCOTUS affirms owning a handgun is an individual right, and that requiring registration and then preventing registration of handguns in DC is UnConstitutional, 922(o) goes out the window.

Someone files a Form 1 or Form 4 for a machine gun, gets denied, sues, and 922(o) gets struck down.

I'm holding off on my subgun until after July.

[Pitmaster]

I'm holding off on my subgun until after July.

And I'm going to save my flex benefit funds.

[MakeMineaP99]

And I'm going to save my flex benefit funds.

I'm not following you, what does a medical or child flexible spending account have to do with NFA firearms?

:confused:

[creophus]

Yes. If SCOTUS affirms owning a handgun is an individual right, and that requiring registration and then preventing registration of handguns in DC is UnConstitutional, 922(o) goes out the window.

Someone files a Form 1 or Form 4 for a machine gun, gets denied, sues, and 922(o) gets struck down.

I'm holding off on my subgun until after July.Ok, I see what you're saying. I don't think it will work that way, but I sure hope you're right.

What's significant about July, in regards to your subgun purchase?

[MakeMineaP99]

Ok, I see what you're saying. I don't think it will work that way, but I sure hope you're right.

What's significant about July, in regards to your subgun purchase?

Why? The ban on registering new MGs, 18 USC § 922(o) is the same as DC's handgun ban. Can't possess an unregistered MG, and can't register an MG.

Ruling in DC v. Heller is due out from SCOTUS.

[Pitmaster]

I'm not following you, what does a medical or child flexible spending account have to do with NFA firearms?

:confused:

1) Tax Free Savings
2) Money to be saved and used later.

Now that I think about it designating a flex account to buy a machine gun sounds like the spirit of the law to me.

[cohutt]

Buy it now.

[MakeMineaP99]

Buy it now.

Why?

[sparky241]

if scotus rules registration is wrong the price of them will drop to a normal price

[cohutt]

A can isn't going to be any cheaper regardless, prices are not driven by a limited supply. They are driven by cost of manufacturing, supply demand competition etc. A suppressed upper is still a can too, can be made new today.


The only folks i see speculating that all will be tossed out are wishful thinking gun nuts (no offense, i bein' one too and all). The legal folks, even the gun loving legal folks, are much more tempered in their "best case" outcome scenarios. I don't think this is about 922; the SCOTUS won't rule more broadly than required, they will keep it narrow how ever it goes.

I haven't wasted alot of time studying it, moves too slow and any amount of lobbying or hoping by me isn't going to change the way they rule.
That said, I feel pretty good about DC "losing" this but the fine print though may still leave plenty of room for interpretation, ie lots of ways to impede gun ownership by the good guys.
My 2

[MakeMineaP99]

A can isn't going to be any cheaper regardless, prices are not driven by a limited supply. They are driven by cost of manufacturing, supply demand competition etc. A suppressed upper is still a can too, can be made new today.


The only folks i see speculating that all will be tossed out are wishful thinking gun nuts (no offense, i bein' one too and all). The legal folks, even the gun loving legal folks, are much more tempered in their "best case" outcome scenarios. I don't think this is about 922; the SCOTUS won't rule more broadly than required, they will keep it narrow how ever it goes.

I haven't wasted alot of time studying it, moves too slow and any amount of lobbying or hoping by me isn't going to change the way they rule.
That said, I feel pretty good about DC "losing" this but the fine print though may still leave plenty of room for interpretation, ie lots of ways to impede gun ownership by the good guys.
My 2

Right. I did tell you I have a Form 1 on my desk for a can. Going in first week of April when I'm home (no checkbook on the road).

[cohutt]

Right. I did tell you I have a Form 1 on my desk for a can. Going in first week of April when I'm home (no checkbook on the road).

You going to make your own can?

Friend of mine did for his MAC, bought a kit i think.

[HotGuns]

I made mine... works great.

[MakeMineaP99]

You going to make your own can?

Friend of mine did for his MAC, bought a kit i think.

Yep, one of the perks of being an engineer, hanging out with the machinists and their tools.

[jwp]

i'd like to hope that 86 ban will die and owning 0.07% of all the transferrables means i'd lose $$$$$$$$, but the justices even asked clement [i think-sorta seemed incompetent] about regulating machine guns

doubt that we will see new ones available as i think they will say dc ban bad, strike it, then also say reasonable regulations are ok

[cohutt]

from: http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/03/transcript_of_h.php

"I think EVERYONE associated with this case who knows anything about appellate argument -- and I've talked to many in that class -- agreed that if you cannot come up with a 2nd Amendment test that lets the government do a lot of things with full autos, you lose. That's bottom line. You can have a second amendment for things other than full auto, or you can have no second amendment. Take your pick, there is no third alternative. Life isn't fair. I was very relieved when the Court showed signs of taking the view that Heller is asking to own a .38, not a Thompson, so we can deal with the full auto issue if and when someone brings a case (which I hope will be about ten years down the road)."

[MakeMineaP99]

Gura wrote an open letter to the NFA community, it's on subguns, if you want to take a look.

He raises some interesting points. I still expect 922(o) to be challenged in court in the future (maybe even the near future).

[MakeMineaP99]

i'd like to hope that 86 ban will die and owning 0.07% of all the transferrables means i'd lose $$$$$$$$, but the justices even asked clement [i think-sorta seemed incompetent] about regulating machine guns

doubt that we will see new ones available as i think they will say dc ban bad, strike it, then also say reasonable regulations are ok

By my math you own over 80 MGs.