9mm 147grain + Titegroup = Not so good

[creophus]

So far I have not found a combo of this type with the bullets (local caster) that work well in my LoneWolf 40-9 conversion barrel.

I have some 115 FMJ coming soon, and I'll load that up as a bulk 9mm load to shoot in my convo barrel and Hi Point carbine.

I was however hoping to use these bullets up. I have some Bullseye that I can use, but I like to reserve that for 45acp.

Everything function fine on the 147 grain load with Titegroup, but the accuracy wasn't very good. What to do what to do? :confused:

[thorn]

- Try good load in standard barrel/different gun
or
- Try different powder
or
- Depending on how many you have, sell the bullets

thorn

[webyourbusiness]

what was the load? I'd have tried 3.1gr and moved up 0.1gr to perhaps 3.5gr max. I have not tried them, but I have a thousand 147gr Berry's plated, which I understand are treated like lead for loading data. Perhaps I'll knock out some tonight and try them at the range tomorrow. There appears to be a lot more data on Hodgdon's site for WSF powder at 147gr though.

[pastprime]

Off subject, but how reliable is the Hi Point...I've been looking at one but have no idea how they rate...dependability wise...

Are you using the 147 gr. bullets trying for better accuracy in the rifle??

[creophus]

what was the load? I'd have tried 3.1gr and moved up 0.1gr to perhaps 3.5gr max. I have not tried them, but I have a thousand 147gr Berry's plated, which I understand are treated like lead for loading data. Perhaps I'll knock out some tonight and try them at the range tomorrow. There appears to be a lot more data on Hodgdon's site for WSF powder at 147gr though.
I'll have to check my notes to get you an answer to what loads I developed.

[creophus]

Off subject, but how reliable is the Hi Point...I've been looking at one but have no idea how they rate...dependability wise...

Are you using the 147 gr. bullets trying for better accuracy in the rifle??The HiPoint is 100% reliable and dependable with everything I've ever shot through it. I love that gun! Seriously.

It's more accurate than my G23 with the Lone wolf barrel in it that's for sure. I hope to develop a generic 9mm load that will run in pretty much everything. The load mentioned earlier runs in everything I've tried it in, just nowhere near what I expect in regards to accuracy.

[Bogey]

Creophus,

What kind of accuracy are you looking for?

I just sent the first rounds of a new run downrange last night. I'm using MG 147 on top of 3.2 gr of TG. I was impressed.....but then I'm not trying to split hairs on a gnat's butt neither. These seem to do well in IDPA comps, as several of my friends are using this recipe.


I liked the feel of them.

[AdamN]

Ive shot a lot of 147's thru glocks. With a little testing Ive always been able to get sub 3" 10 shot groups @25 yards. (With Titegroup) 3.5gr with a jacket 147 is a popular "game" load. Depending on your OAL you may get better results with something closer to 3.0gr.

Thru my gun as I got away from the "sweet spot" I started getting a lot of verticle stringing as the chagre increased.

This was all tested off a Ransom Rest a couple years ago

[creophus]

Creophus,

What kind of accuracy are you looking for?

I just sent the first rounds of a new run downrange last night. I'm using MG 147 on top of 3.2 gr of TG. I was impressed.....but then I'm not trying to split hairs on a gnat's butt neither. These seem to do well in IDPA comps, as several of my friends are using this recipe.


I liked the feel of them.Well I'd like them to group into about an inch or two at 10 feet. I may have the targets around someplace, but right now I can't find the pics of the targets.

[918v]

Try altering the seating depth. Try different primers. Try Bullseye powder.

[BigSlick]

Slug the barrel and measure the bullets.

You might find the fit is the issue.

Does the barrel lead up with the bullets from your local caster ?

[creophus]

Try altering the seating depth. Try different primers. Try Bullseye powder.
I've tried the seating depth. I had problems early on getting them to chamber reliably. Now that I have that issue fixed, I'll try different primers and some Bullseye powder.

I've been too lazy to change powders and try again any way.

I've focused on buying guns instead!!

[creophus]

Slug the barrel and measure the bullets.

You might find the fit is the issue.

Does the barrel lead up with the bullets from your local caster ?I may just slug the barrel. Of course the only lead I have lying are the lead bullets. Can I use one of those to slug it?

I don't really remember the lead being that hard to clean off. I only shot about 10-20 rounds through it since I've had it.

The good news it that the 115 grain WWB ammo functioned just fine in it, but not that accurate.

[creophus]

Creophus,

What kind of accuracy are you looking for?

I just sent the first rounds of a new run downrange last night. I'm using MG 147 on top of 3.2 gr of TG. I was impressed.....but then I'm not trying to split hairs on a gnat's butt neither. These seem to do well in IDPA comps, as several of my friends are using this recipe.


I liked the feel of them.

Finally got some pics of my targets. I don't recall what distance I shot these at though. :(

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10842.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10841.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10840.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10839.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10838.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Jiggy5/SSL10837.jpgThese are winchester white box loads and 2.5 grain Titegroup and 2.7 grain Titegroup loads through my LWD conversion barrel and a HiPoint carbine.

Any opinions? At least one of those flyers was a turn and cup shot, not sure about the other flyers.

[Bogey]

I am amazed, and at a loss for words. Sorry you're having trouble and hope you get it worked out.

What really amazes me is, I shot a match today...minimum round count was 112 rounds. I wasn't as fast as I normally am, but took 4th overall because of my accuracy.

I shot Montana G 147s with 3.2 TG, WLPs. I was impressed with the load.

[AdamN]

It could be possible that the LW barrel just sucks, looks like its equally bad with your reloads and WWB.

The vertical stringing could indicate a poor fit, or inconsistent lockup.

Of course knowing the range they were shot at helps some. 25 yards the groups might be Ok, 7 yards, probably NOT ok

[creophus]

I am amazed, and at a loss for words.
Wow, that bad huh?

These bullets are from a local guy, so on top of developing a new load, and new barrell, I'm not sure if the bullets are even consistent.

I get much much better accuracy with my 40 and 45 loads.

[creophus]

It could be possible that the LW barrel just sucks, looks like its equally bad with your reloads and WWB.

The vertical stringing could indicate a poor fit, or inconsistent lockup.

Of course knowing the range they were shot at helps some. 25 yards the groups might be Ok, 7 yards, probably NOT okThese are much closer to 7 yards than 25 yards. Again, not exactly sure of the distance.

It might be the LW barrel just isn't very good or its been damaged by the previous user. I won't conclude that until I've tried some other loads though. Probably just doesn't like this load very much.

I may load up a bunch of the 2.5grains and shoot through that HiPoint Carbine. The accuracy on that one wasn't so bad.

I also have some 115grain FMJ bullets coming from Precision delta. Hopefully that will have better results.

[Bogey]

Wow, that bad huh?

These bullets are from a local guy, so on top of developing a new load, and new barrell, I'm not sure if the bullets are even consistent.

I get much much better accuracy with my 40 and 45 loads.


The blond in me is coming out. These are lead....not FMJ.

That may be the issue. Of course, I ain't close to knowing half what these guys know. They a tell ya real good.

I a keep my mouf quiet. :yesnod:

[918v]

It looks to me that your handload shoots similar to WWB from your LW barrel.

How does your barrel fit? Like factory? Tighter? More loose?

Semi-auto accuracy depends alot on consistency in lockup. Understand that the slide and barrel recoil to the rear while the bullet is still going down the bore, so the barrel to slide fit is critical.

[creophus]

It looks to me that your handload shoots similar to WWB from your LW barrel.

How does your barrel fit? Like factory? Tighter? More loose?

Semi-auto accuracy depends alot on consistency in lockup. Understand that the slide and barrel recoil to the rear while the bullet is still going down the bore, so the barrel to slide fit is critical.

I know, those loads shoot similar to WWB. :cryin:

It appears to me that the LWD barrel fits just like factory. I use the same recoil spring and have no problems with cycling. It's a ported barrel. Does that make a difference in accuracy? I didn't think it would, but now I'm not sure what's going on. I may load some Bullseye and see if that makes a difference.

Unless I can sell the bullets, I'm not gonna let almost 500 of them go to waste!!

[AdamN]

It's a ported barrel


Lead may work in a compensated barrel but probably not in a ported barrel. I would imagine that part of the bullet may be getting shaved when it passes the ports. Are you getting any lead residue on the outside of the ports??

Of course your results are similar to the WWB