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nitesite
03-08-2009, 09:14 PM
Back when I first started reloading, all I had was my new equipment and a reloading manual. Sure wish I had a friend/mentor to help me get started more on the right track. If my friends at GLOCKPOST had been around back then I might have avoided making some of the dumb decisions I made.

Here are some mistakes I made, in no particular order.

(1) Wrong Primers. I recently got out some .223 Remington ammo that I made during my first months of reloading in 2002. I had bought Remington 6-1/2 small rifle primers because they were the only SR available locally at the time. I didn't know that they were for .22 Hornet only. I couldn't find 7-1/2s but since they were for "Small Rifle" I thought they would be OK with H335 and a 55-gr FMJ. WRONG! I had pierced primers about 10% of the time. Couldn't figure what was wrong because the powder charge was far from MAX. So I just put those loaded rounds away. I just spent part of this weekend pulling the bullets and depriming some 300 faulty rounds. Thank God for the Hornady collet puller I bought and to this point had barely used. It is a tool worth having.

Do I get CRB points for reclaiming the powder and dedicating the primers for plinking .38-Special loads?

(1a) Not trimming once-fired rifle brass. This weekend, after pulling those bullets and decapping the live primers I measured the cases. Back when I loaded them I chose not to trim them because they were all my own once-fired brass and I wrongly thought that they couldn't possibly have stretched enough to already need trimming. I didn't know that the act of full-length sizing them would stretch many of them beyond 1.760". They are now again resized, tumbled and trimmed to 1.750" as I should have done if I had been a better student.

(2) Just because the manual mentions a powder it doesn't mean it's good. I first started loading 10mm Auto with 180-gr TCFP jacketed bullets, and used Titegroup (of all things) because I had it on hand for my .38-Special loads. I figured that if TG was listed in the load chart for that bullet in a 10mm it would be fine. I never loaded to the MAX charge and never had any problems from my G29. Now I know that TG is WAY too fast for a heavy 10mm bullet unless I'm willing to keep velocities down to around a neutered .40S&W. I'm lucky I didn't blow my gun up with that one. Heck, I have several manuals now and some of them list Bullseye for .357 Magnum.

(3) Powder Frenzy. When I first set up in the beginning, I bought a different powder every other week or so. Before I knew it I owned Accurate #2, Accurate #5, Accurate #7, AA 2230, Titegroup, Unique, Clays, Red Dot, Green Dot, Bullseye, Unique, H335, H322, Varget, H4350, BL-(C)2 and probably some others I can't think of at the moment. That wasn't smart, but back then I was just so excited to try everything. That was a mistake.

(4) Lee Factory Crimp Dies are not for soft lead bullets. Some of the early .38 reloads I made were with swaged soft LSWCs, and I used the LFCD to make some really nice looking cartridges. But their accuracy was only mediocre. It wasn't until later that I learned to use the LFCD only for jacketed bullets. Things improved after that.

(5) Don't make loads that only please your chronograph. Unless you are trying to make power factor with only a bit to spare, those AVERAGE and ES/SD numbers are not as important as accuracy-accuracy-accuracy. If accuracy is great and the ES/SD numbers seem a bit wide... learn to live with it.

(5b) Don't be shocked when your chrono shows you ammo is slower than the manual. If you read closely, you'll see some incredibly long barrels being used when powder and bullet companies worked up their data. When my early .357 magnum loads "clocked slow" using Hodgdon data, I didn't first notice that they used a 10.7" test barrel. Ooops!

(6) I'm not Mike McNett and I don't want to make my own version of his ammo. Nuff said. Overdriving bullets constructed and designed to perform within an optimum velocity envelope is counterproductive. I have 3-4 largely unused boxes of DT that I will pull the bullets from and re-use the components for more sensible overall performance. Besides, my pistols don't carry an insurance policy that covers damage.

(7) Don't try to get one more reload out of a case with a split case mouth. I once seated bullets in split brass meant for semi-autos and figured I'd shoot them and leave the brass. When I was checking neck tension, though, I found I could push the bullet into the case until it bottomoed against the powder charge. Would have been catastrophic.

(8) If you decide to start loading for shotgun, don't do it in a carpeted room and make sure you have a really good broom and dustpan. Some of you will know what I'm talking about. ;)


I'm nitesite, and I approved this message.

mbradst
03-09-2009, 12:28 AM
Great post Dave. I think this needs one of them fancy reference tags, or a sticky would be nice.

TowsonTiger22
03-09-2009, 01:02 AM
I'd like to add mine. I did my first loads with a random powder, of which I did not know where it had been, how it had been kept, and with a scale I had to stack books under to get it to zero....

TwoShot
03-09-2009, 01:55 AM
Very good observation and article.
Hmmmmmmmmmm Yep we sure do learn some thru the years and reading on here. I think my first loads were 30-06
I'll +1000 on the shot gun reloading,,
It is late now,, but will post a pic of my shot gun set up,,when the he sun comes up.

creophus
03-09-2009, 08:23 AM
(4) Lee Factory Crimp Dies are not for soft lead bullets. Some of the early .38 reloads I made were with swaged soft LSWCs, and I used the LFCD to make some really nice looking cartridges. But their accuracy was only mediocre. It wasn't until later that I learned to use the LFCD only for jacketed bullets. Things improved after that.

Man I totally agree with that one. Had problems with leading in my 45.

One thing that I can add is that it's a good idea to try feeding rounds into YOUR gun before making a lot of them. Got a bunch of 308 rounds that I can't use right now. :(

TowsonTiger22
03-09-2009, 10:41 AM
And I agree, nitesite has brought up a bunch of mistakes that get made all the time.

ept000
03-09-2009, 12:02 PM
Man I totally agree with that one. Had problems with leading in my 45.

One thing that I can add is that it's a good idea to try feeding rounds into YOUR gun before making a lot of them. Got a bunch of 308 rounds that I can't use right now. :(
Hmmmm. You guys have me thinking now.... The Lock and Load is supposed to be here tomorrow and I was going to set up all four dies for my home cast 9mm. Would this be a mistake?

ept000
03-09-2009, 12:05 PM
Oh, and let me add a mistake. Never reach in to pull a case out of the shell holder when the ram is up and under tension from the weight of the handle. As soon as you free up the case the handle weight puts enough force on the ram to pinch your finger and turn your nail very, very black. I can prove it!

nitesite
03-09-2009, 12:30 PM
Hmmmm. You guys have me thinking now.... The Lock and Load is supposed to be here tomorrow and I was going to set up all four dies for my home cast 9mm. Would this be a mistake?

Eric,

I don't think so. Your bullets are harder than the soft swaged bullets I warned about. And since 9mm Luger case has a tapered dimension, it shouldn't undersize the bullet like on straight-walled cases. I'd like others to chime in with their thoughts, though, as I could be mistaken.

ept000
03-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Eric,

I don't think so. Your bullets are harder than the soft swaged bullets I warned about. And since 9mm Luger case has a tapered dimension, it shouldn't undersize the bullet like on straight-walled cases. I'd like others to chime in with their thoughts, though, as I could be mistaken.
Sweet! Thanks, I feel better now.

MakeMineaP99
03-09-2009, 04:14 PM
No FCD on any lead bullets. It will size them down, hard cast or soft.

ept000
03-09-2009, 04:25 PM
So do I just use the regular three dies with the combination seat and crimp die?

RustyFN
03-09-2009, 04:55 PM
OK here's mine.
Only one bottle of powder on the bench at a time and check to verify what it is. I thought I grabbed the Titegroug but instead grabbed HS-6. After loading I cought my mistake because I always pour the powder back into the bottle when I'm done. It's no fun pulling 100 bullets with a hammer type puller.

MONTEGOD7SS
03-09-2009, 04:56 PM
How the heck could a FCD for a tapered 9mm case even come close to touching the mouth? On .45s, revolvers, stuff like that I can see it, but a 9mm is tapered pretty good.

creophus
03-10-2009, 07:39 AM
So do I just use the regular three dies with the combination seat and crimp die?Yes. If you have a 4 hole turret then set the FCD so that it doesn't really do anything. I used to FCD my 45acp rounds and got leading something fierce. Not to mention the resistance I got when running that round through the die.

creophus
03-10-2009, 07:59 AM
Better get on the ball. Missing out on that $50 bench would really suck. I'd buy it on my way home if I were you.

Back on topic...

I made the mistake of trying to use my chronograph in poor lighting conditions. I didn't get reading and starting shooting closer and closer to the light sensors. Guess what happened? Put a few rounds through the plastic housing. Thank God I didn't destroy it and it still works.

Steviewonder1
03-11-2009, 07:32 PM
Poor care of priming bullets. Lots of FTF. The Dillon SDB Twins I have solved that issue. No FTF with them. Single stage RCBS sold 18 years ago.

Gashira
03-12-2009, 09:13 AM
My beginners mistake:

On a Dillon 550B, the powder rod needs to be inserted from the back of the bellcrank, not the front. The resulting charges tend to be a bit inconsistent to say the least.

JW6108
03-12-2009, 09:26 PM
Most of mine were with shotshells and the old Lee loader where you seated the wad while pushing down on a bathroom scale to get the correct wad pressure (yes, kiddies, it really was that way).

You haven't really lived until you swing on a dove and your shell goes "thoonk", followed by the shot and wad landing 30' from you (with said dove laughing his feathered fanny off).

OR, having your crimp open up inside the magazine of your pump gun and scattering shot inside the tube and receiver.

A MEC 600 JR press improved things a lot, but the crimping business on a shotgun shell is a more or less constant source of trouble/irritation. The only shells I had where they didn't become a problem were the old S&W plastic shells (blue with a nickel plated base). With the first loading of WW540 throwing 1 3/8 oz. of shot at about Warp 2, the entire crimped portion of the shell was cut cleanly off at the circumference of the fold and blown out the barrel.:biggrinjester:

Good times.

Steve Koski
03-12-2009, 11:21 PM
The most serious mistake I made as a newbie was getting the grains and the tenths of a grain mixed up when hand weighing charges. This resulted in a work up that went like this.

5.5 gr Universal
5.6 gr Universal
5.7 gr Universal
8.7 gr Universal (moved the grains to 8)

Well ~6.0 was max and the first 8.7 grainer I touched off blew out the case at the feed ramp, cracked the chamber, destroyed a bunch of small parts, and gave me a blood blister.

This is one reason I'm a fan of digital scales. Harder to screw up.

Koski

Steve Koski
03-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Other mistakes I've made over the years:


Poured powder from the hopper back into the wrong container (resutling in wasted powder, burnt on a manhole).
Forgot to check COL before loading up 200 rifle rounds. I assumed it was set correctly. This resulted in a session with a collet puller and some grumbling.
Loaded up 300 rounds of 9mm 125 grain bullets with a load that was for 115 grain bullets (perhaps too hot for 125's, I didn't want to risk it). Didn't check my notes beforehand. A session with the hammer puller, serious grumbling.

I still haven't bought/used the wrong primer, which seems to be a nearly universal mistake. That's probably next week.

Koski