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Phunahm
03-21-2008, 02:46 PM
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/Phunahm/9400941f.jpg

Top are from My G21C the lowers From my G20 The 2 10mm on the right didnt fire, out of 100 look at the locations of the dimple versus the left case that did fire..


Now look at the 45ACP Cases only 2 out of 100 also what would cause that? :confused:
layusn1
03-21-2008, 06:25 PM
They hit something on the way to the ground that the other 98 didn't?
Bogey
03-21-2008, 06:37 PM
They hit something on the way to the ground that the other 98 didn't?


I think he's referring to the off center firing pin hits.

For the life of me, I can't remember what causes it though.
Steve Koski
03-21-2008, 06:40 PM
Incomplete lockup, could be due to a number of things.

100% stock guns?

Ammo details?
layusn1
03-21-2008, 06:43 PM
LOL...I'm a 'tard.
Bogey
03-21-2008, 06:52 PM
LOL...I'm a 'tard.


But you're our VERY OWN tard. :thumbsup: ;)
Phunahm
03-21-2008, 06:55 PM
The 45 is stock barrel LWD trigger stop 3.5 connector the powder is Clays 3.8gn 230 plated RN

The 10mm LWD barrel trigger stop 3.5lb connector HS6 powder 8.6 gn 190 RNFP lead

The 45 those casing stayed in the barrel

The 10mm just never fired......I ejected and it was fine until the next time it happened.....
layusn1
03-21-2008, 07:20 PM
But you're our VERY OWN tard. :thumbsup: ;)

True, I'm gonna go get in my little yellow bus and go to Walmart now.
Steve Koski
03-21-2008, 10:00 PM
I'm betting those lead bullets don't drop all the way in and out of that LWD barrel cleanly. Bet you have to push some of them in. The LWD throat is probably too tight for those lead bullets.

Every now and then it keeps a round from going completely into battery, and you have a high strike with no ignition. If you fire that batch of ammo I'll bet you get vertical stringing from "just barely good enough" lockup where the barrel is pointed upward a bit.
freakshow10mm
03-21-2008, 11:05 PM
Now look at the 45ACP Cases only 2 out of 100 also what would cause that? :confused:
Same thing that caused these. Extractor needs some TLC. Cases getting kissed between ejection port and breechface. This is a more extreme example, 10mm cases.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/10mmDTpic1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/10mmDTpic2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/IWBmagcarrier001.jpg
soundwave
03-21-2008, 11:39 PM
I'm betting those lead bullets don't drop all the way in and out of that LWD barrel cleanly. Bet you have to push some of them in. The LWD throat is probably too tight for those lead bullets.

Every now and then it keeps a round from going completely into battery, and you have a high strike with no ignition. If you fire that batch of ammo I'll bet you get vertical stringing from "just barely good enough" lockup where the barrel is pointed upward a bit.

This kinda parallels what I was dealing with last week. I took my OAL down just a bit on some lead .45 rounds that were not falling into the chamber freely, testing them tomorrow. From what my fellow GP'ers told me, lead rounds are usually a tad wider and sometimes take some slide pressure to fully chamber, but obviously there is a limit to how much a slide can help out in this situation.
soundwave
03-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Same thing that caused these. Extractor needs some TLC. Cases getting kissed between ejection port and breechface. This is a more extreme example, 10mm cases.



....so you gonna cut em down and make .40's? :yesnod:
freakshow10mm
03-21-2008, 11:58 PM
Scrapped 'em. Happened a few years ago before I handloaded. DT ammo.
Phunahm
03-22-2008, 06:06 AM
So what do you mean FS by TLC the ejector? oh and btw FS your suggestion on the HS6 with the recipe you gave me for the 10mm was sweet...
freakshow10mm
03-22-2008, 08:29 AM
Make sure your extractor is properly fitted. Those cases are from a 1911, but I replaced the extrator and the problem went away.

Was that the 8.4gr load I quoted you? HS6 isn't truly ideal in the 10mm but it's a nice powder that will load manageable 10mm. It might not get DT levels, but it will be accurate, clean, and fairly economical. I use it exclusively in 45 Auto, but also use it in 10mm quite a bit.
Phunahm
03-22-2008, 08:48 AM
Yes it was I thought is worked pretty well a bit smokey but felt great......the extractor is a new one from LWD with the ultimate trigger stop or are you talking about the ejector?
freakshow10mm
03-22-2008, 09:13 AM
The extractor in the slide. Could also be the ejector in the frame. I replaced my extractor and the problem went away.

Basically the gun isn't getting the round out quick enough before the slide starts to close.

Use Lar's Red and there will be little smoke.
Phunahm
03-22-2008, 11:56 AM
I'm betting those lead bullets don't drop all the way in and out of that LWD barrel cleanly. Bet you have to push some of them in. The LWD throat is probably too tight for those lead bullets.

Every now and then it keeps a round from going completely into battery, and you have a high strike with no ignition. If you fire that batch of ammo I'll bet you get vertical stringing from "just barely good enough" lockup where the barrel is pointed upward a bit. After reading your suggestion Steve I went and tried all of the rounds total of 200 that I have left for the 10mm (btw I did use a case gauge also before I shot them) and the rounds dropped right into the LWD barrel no added force at all, so I dunno......A idea I did have was this happened when I was letting my dad shoot a few, could limp wrist be a factor? Oh and FS the bullets I purchased from someone off the net trying to find WW around here is like I'm gonna win the mega lottery:cryin: any way he has them lube with a blue wax......you think thats where all the smoke was coming from? Im inside when shooting and it was getting pretty cloudy in there :yesnod:
Steve Koski
03-22-2008, 11:09 PM
Boy, you've got me then. That was my best wrong idea.
freakshow10mm
03-22-2008, 11:21 PM
Oh and FS the bullets I purchased from someone off the net trying to find WW around here is like I'm gonna win the mega lottery:cryin: any way he has them lube with a blue wax......you think thats where all the smoke was coming from? Im inside when shooting and it was getting pretty cloudy in there :yesnod:
The only blue stuff I've run into is LBT blue. 'Slick says it's good stuff, but not as good as Lar's. He sent me some sample 32 H&R boolits with the stuff. Smokier than Lar's Red.

My boolits are lubed with Lar's Red. Little to no smoke.
Phunahm
03-23-2008, 08:10 AM
Boy, you've got me then. That was my best wrong idea. well thanks for the suggestion..It was well worth the effort......And FS I just looked at the guy's other lead for sale now the pics show Red wax maybe he changed LOL, I just purchased 357 Mag and 44 Mag from him but he's slower than Dog Sheet shipping.....Oh also I just found out This morning that the Gun range I shoot at had a Fatal shooting yesterday I was just there too.....Police aren't giving any details yet however.....
918v
03-23-2008, 09:49 AM
After reading your suggestion Steve I went and tried all of the rounds total of 200 that I have left for the 10mm (btw I did use a case gauge also before I shot them) and the rounds dropped right into the LWD barrel no added force at all, so I dunno......A idea I did have was this happened when I was letting my dad shoot a few, could limp wrist be a factor? Oh and FS the bullets I purchased from someone off the net trying to find WW around here is like I'm gonna win the mega lottery:cryin: any way he has them lube with a blue wax......you think thats where all the smoke was coming from? Im inside when shooting and it was getting pretty cloudy in there :yesnod:

Just because the remaining rounds dropped-in fine, don't mean the culprit rounds did the same. You are lucky the gun didn't KB.

Limp wristing counteract's the effects of recoil on the slide and could cause feeding issues with improperly assembled rounds.

I suggest you revisit your die adjustment. You may be overcrimping.
Phunahm
03-23-2008, 12:47 PM
Just because the remaining rounds dropped-in fine, don't mean the culprit rounds did the same. You are lucky the gun didn't KB.

Limp wristing counteract's the effects of recoil on the slide and could cause feeding issues with improperly assembled rounds.

I suggest you revisit your die adjustment. You may be over crimping. forgive my ignorance but how will over crimp cause a offset fire pin dimple? Besides the fact all the rounds are spec'd out correctly I all ready looked into that thanks for the suggestion Or were you talking about the 45's?
918v
03-23-2008, 12:51 PM
Because overcrimping buckles the case wall immediately behind the case mouth and causes difficult chambering. If the slide fails to go completely into battery as a result of difficult chambering, it will unlock prematurely and the gun may KB.
Phunahm
03-23-2008, 01:00 PM
Because overcrimping buckles the case wall immediately behind the case mouth and causes difficult chambering. If the slide fails to go completely into battery as a result of difficult chambering, it will unlock prematurely and the gun may KB. Does that apply to the Lee FCD?...
918v
03-23-2008, 01:17 PM
Yes. If you buckle the case by overcrimping with the FCD, the carbide sizing ring will remove the bulge, but it will not restore tension on the bullet shank. The bullet is then likely to set back when it hits the feedramp and bulge the case by pushing the shank against the thick portion of the case walls near the casehead.