Bullet picture thread/database?

[soundwave]

EDIT: Thanks to Slick for moving thread!

I think it would be informative to have a thread/database dedicated to pictures of different bullets people are reloading.

I am curious to see more detailed pics/descriptions of all the varieties of lead, fmj, swc, hp's, ect... that are out there. Many times, the websites I buy from don't have good pics of what I am about to buy. Chances are, someone on GP has probably used em before.

Whatchoo think?

Post what you got.

:cheers2:

[918v]

I think it would be beneficial, especially if the description contained the length of the bullet, nose and shank lengths, and actual diameter.

[yammerschooner]

edit to nil.

[soundwave]

I think it would be beneficial, especially if the description contained the length of the bullet, nose and shank lengths, and actual diameter.

Exactly, I would like that very much.

[HiddenEyes]

Good idea, somebody does need to take the lead and start with what they have.


Mr. HE:cool:

[soundwave]

Alright, I will go ahead an start it off. Please let me know what other info I have left out so we can get a template going.

Precision Bullets
www.precisionbullets.com (http://www.precisionbullets.com)

Bullet: 200 grain RNFP

Description: Precision Bullets are swaged with certified 6/2 lead alloy. Then a dry-lube formula is applied. This process completely encases the precision lead core. PB claims that these dry-lube covered bullets can safely reach speeds of 2000 FPS with no barrel fouling.

Cost: $96.00 per (1000) 200 gr RNFP

Measurements: see below

Notes:

*First test unsuccesful with OAL of 1.225" in G21 with 6" Lonewolf barrel. Recommended to shorten to 1.185-1.200" OAL. Will test and update notes.

*Second test with OAL of 1.195"-1.200" in G21 with 6" Lonewolf barrel and OEM barrel was a success.

[/URL]
Video accuracy: [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reES-zjbYco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyy7dmI3ric)


Pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/PB200RNFP_SPROF.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/PB200RNFP_DIA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/PB200RNFP_BL.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/PB200RNFP_OAL.jpg

[freakshow10mm]

I'll add my pistol bullets here, but just put a link to my site.

http://www.freakshowbullets.com/index.php?cPath=21

The stats are included in the product descriptions and include a Suggested OAL seating depth.

My alloy is mixed by me and is a Lyman #2 equivalent of 15 BHN.

[thorn]

Hornady Bullets
www.hornady.com (http://www.hornady.com)

Bullet: 124 gr FMJ-RN ENC

Description: Basic 9mm FMJ, with enclosed copper base.

Cost: $120 per (1000) (via Midwayusa.com)

Measurements: .597 High, .355 Wide

http://www.neverwake.com/treason/bullets/bullet_124hdy.jpg

http://www.neverwake.com/treason/bullets/round_124hdy.jpg
All rounds fired from Walther P99 9mm, using HS-6 powder.

Notes:

Starting charge of 5.0-5.2gr were light to shoot but led to several stovepipes. At 5.4-6.0gr, rounds cycled completely every time. 5.8gr loads with 1.144 OAL have given the best accuracy so far, though 6.0gr was also good.

[thorn]

Vance Bullets
Website unknown; purchased locally (Targetworld in Cincinnati)

Bullet: 125 gr Lead RN

Description: 9mm RN bullet, blue lube.

Cost: $54 per (1000)

Measurements: .600 High, .356 Wide

http://www.neverwake.com/treason/bullets/bullet_125vance.jpg

http://www.neverwake.com/treason/bullets/round_124vance.jpg
All rounds fired from Walther P99 9mm, using HS-6 powder.

Notes:

Starting charge of 5.9gr with 1.152 OAL cycled with no failures. Notable amount of smoke (due to the lube, I assume). Accuracy similar to my Hornady 124/6.0gr loads.

Bullets were seated high due to conflicting "official" data; final OAL was chosen based on extrapolating various sources, and choosing a depth that fed reliably in the magazine and seemed within safe tolerances.

Overall a very promising round. Given the much lower cost than FMJ, I intend to do a lot more testing with this bullet in hopes it can be used full-time.

[TowsonTiger22]

I like the database idea. Or some sort of encyclopedia of bullet types with pics of each.

[saunderscc]

I will give this a shot. Here are pictures (crappy I can't take pictures to save my life) of my 9mm loads. I am loading 115gr with 5.2 gr of WSF at 1.108". I also have 500 rounds of the same with 8.2 gr AA#7 same OAL. I only switched to WSF because I had it and didn't feel like buying new powder (both shoot very well). All the 9mm rounds are fired with my G26.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2397950964_89da921b94.jpg?v=0
Here is my round at 1.108"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2397950956_056d556ca6.jpg?v=0
Here is the 115 gr Precision Delta bullet.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/2397950952_c874e36d12.jpg?v=0
Here is the loaded round (gotta love that shadow).

As you can tell, I haven't quite figured out how to use the Macro setting to take quality close up pictures. But these should work. Maybe by the time my 230 gr come in from Precision Delta, I will have figured it out.

[soundwave]

Lookin great yall!

[Murphy's Law]

I have asked for the same thing several times. So many different types, what can be swapped in the data books, etc. One common souce of information would be extremely helpful for many of us newbie's.

:iagree:

[soundwave]

Hornady XTP

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=342056

Bullet: 230 gr. XTP JHP

Description: XTP Bullets expand reliably at a wide range of velocities for deep, terminal penetration with every shot. Each XTP Bullet has a swaged core and drawn copper jacket to ensure uniform expansion and in-flight stability. They also feature a performance-improved point that has 6 precise folds to divide the bullet into symmetrical sections and initiate controlled expansion at low velocities while not fragmenting at higher velocities.

Cost: $19.99 per 100 @ Midway ( Igot my 1000 free witht he purchase of my Hornady LNL progressive press).

Measurements: see below

Notes: TBA

Pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/XTP7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/XTP2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/XTP3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/XTP4.jpg

[saunderscc]

Soundwave, how do you like the moly coated bullets from Precision Bullets in the factory barrel? Any lead fouling?

[BigSlick]

I a make a few calls an see about gettin a DB front end done up for these.

Should be pretty easy

Diameter
Height
Distance from base to cannelure
Actual weight @ BHN
Mould (if any)
Pics
Currently used OAL with given charge
Feeds/won't feed in X gun

Anything else you guys can think of ?

[freakshow10mm]

Size .3575
Length .748
Nose .314
Base to crimp .434
Meplat .245
179gr at 22BHN
Saeco 353
1.60" OAL

Raw bullet, no lube.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Boolit%20Casting/P4140011.jpg

[soundwave]

Soundwave, how do you like the moly coated bullets from Precision Bullets in the factory barrel? Any lead fouling?

They shoot very well. I was impressed with the accuracy. There was some fouling after a session of 300 rounds, but it cleaned up easy with some Hoppes and a bronze brush.

[soundwave]

I a make a few calls an see about gettin a DB front end done up for these.

Should be pretty easy

Diameter
Height
Distance from base to cannelure
Actual weight @ BHN
Mould (if any)
Pics
Currently used OAL with given charge
Feeds/won't feed in X gun

Anything else you guys can think of ?


That would be awesome! Thank you Slick :seeya::cheers2:

[Jammer Six]

I developed a database for reloading.

In a fit of originality, I titled it "Reloading".

I developed it for my own use; I swore to myself no one else would ever see it. So I broke a bunch of rules, like assigning the same name to attributes without showing which table they belonged to in the name, because I've always hated the names that result from that weird practice.

The data model was in fifth normal form; then I messed with it. I did so because I use Filemaker Pro, and there are several conventions in the Filemaker community that make life easier when you're using Filemaker.

For instance, all primary keys are sequential integers. Anathema to a data model purist.

Bullets, powders, brass and such are a textbook example of relationships; one bullet can be in many loads, as can one powder, one primer, and one brass. There are many bullets, powders, primers, brass and loads.

Many-to-many, across the board. Lots of fun.

For that reason, (lots of fun) and because I wanted to pull reports by each component, I rejected a flat file.

I wanted it to be possible for there to be notes attached to each component, as well as to each load. So I finally decided to go with the "little table, few attributes, lots of tables, lots of relationships, total chaos" method of data management.

I made a rather elementary mistake-- because at the time I started reloading, I was only reloading one caliber, my original database didn't have an attribute anywhere for "caliber". Duh...

I am in the process of stuffing a "caliber" attribute into the places it belongs, but I'm not finished with it yet. While that was going on, I upgraded from Filemaker 7 to Filemaker 9, and got distracted by all the pretty bells and the tinkling whistles. I really like Filemaker 9.

At any rate, my contribution. Here are the tables and fields I ended up with.

I'm considering putting a massive effort into finishing it, then releasing it for Mac and Windows as some kind of shareware, but frankly, I don't know if it would be worth it; I don't know if I would be able to justify the effort. Anyone can cobble together something out of a spreadsheet, that while it wouldn't be as pretty, it would work. So I'm not sure people would pay anything for a real database.

It would be relatively easy to add an attribute for a picture in any of the tables.

Tables

Loads
Bullets
Powders
Primers
Brass
Log


Loads

Load Number
Load Name
Powder Charge
Expected FPS
Power Factor
Comments
Cartridge Length
Bullet Number
Powder Number
Primer Number
Brass Number
Status
Load List Display Variable
Status Display


The premise is simple. All the Load table does is assign one integer to each field, entered by the user, that matches the primary key of one record for each component. In this way, one and only one record of each type is tied to each load. The only integers available for assignment are existing records. Serial Numbers (primary keys) are unique. While it would be possible to enter two records for the same powder with different primary keys, there is no way to prevent that error and retain the "notes" function--one difference in the note, and the software will say it isn't identical. I like the notes.

Bullets

Serial Number
Manufacturer
Type
Weight
Bullet Notes
Title


Powders

Serial Number
Manufacturer
Name
Title
Powder Notes


Primers

Serial Number
Manufacturer
Name
Title
Primer Notes


Brass

Serial Number
Manufacturer
Headstamp
Title
Brass Notes

[Jammer Six]

http://www.oz.net/~jammer/Load%20Form.jpg

A screen shot.

[Jammer Six]

http://www.oz.net/~jammer/Load%20List.jpg

Clicking on any of the lines takes you to that load.

[thorn]

Jammer - that's damned cool.

thorn

[soundwave]

Jammer - that's damned cool.

thorn

I'll 2nd that! Would be great to have on GP so people can enter their info in.

[Jammer Six]

Thanks, guys.

I'm having an issue with caliber-- bullets have a caliber, brass has a caliber, but powder and primers don't.

So the caliber of the bullet has to match the caliber of the brass, and vice versa, or the load is invalid.

However...

Checking one against the other isn't as efficient as simply preventing an invalid entry in the first place, so I'm working on "cascading" selections-- (what we used to call them, anyway, I have no idea what a Real Programmer would call them...) if you pick a .45 caliber bullet, then only .45 caliber brass is available for selection. Making it work one way isn't that tough, but making it work both ways, so you can pick whichever one you want first is making my hair hurt.

Don't even talk to me about separating .45 ACP from .45 Long Colt. That might be up to the user.

So sometimes, I just get tired, and go to bed, and other times, Battlestar Gallactica comes on, interrupting everything.

Starbuck, baby!

[MONTEGOD7SS]

A .45ACP and .45LC aren't the same thing in caliber if you have a way to differentiate .451 vs. .452 vs. 458 etc.

[Jammer Six]

I didn't say that very well. I actually don't know anything about .45 Long Colts.

What I was trying to say is that .451 and .452 could be either-- and from my records, the difference can matter in .45 ACP, particularly with lead. Therefore, the difference may be worth recording.

The trouble I'm having is that some bullet "models" are available as both. They are, therefore, "Bullet Manufacturer"--"Bullet Model"--"Bullet Caliber"--"Bullet Diameter", and bullet diameter can be different, with the rest being the same.

So any arbitrary nomenclature, or any limits I build into the database is just that-- arbitrary.

Doesn't really matter, I suppose, except that it annoys me, because it means that someone, somewhere, like 'Slick, is going to be limited if he tries to use my software.

And that principle bugs me.

It's really, really complicated being perfect. It's like a curse.

Be glad that you're not me.

:plan:

[CaptToyota]

Vance Bullets
Website unknown; purchased locally (Targetworld in Cincinnati)

Bullet: 125 gr Lead RN

Description: 9mm RN bullet, blue lube.




http://www.neverwake.com/treason/bullets/round_124vance.jpg




HEHEHE, loaded a bunch of them last yr, 5gr WST, do 1200 out of 7.5" subgun barrel very soft shooting also.

I got them at Goodman show for $16/500, likely increase now. Target World is his only outside vendor i know of.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/capttoyota/125grRNL.jpg

[BigSlick]

OK fellas, I got it fleshed out, gonna test it for a few days an see what needs changin if anything.

Gonna have a form for details an a pic link to imbed (preferred) or upload, with a filter/compare

Gonna do a two bullet compare view.

If we need a three bullet comparison, I'll see if I can make it fit in one view without bein freaky deaky

Is they anyone left on da whole planet dat is usin 800x600 ?

If so, post up now, otherwise I'm gonna format it for 1024 ta make life easier

I'll figure out da zoom if enough a yall runnin 800x600, otherwise it gonna be static

Gonna split it inta form/table groups on one page, link ta different pages wit other forms/tables wit cost/payback, energy an some other misc stuff.

[soundwave]

Sounds awesome Slick. If you need any help, I am around. :cheers2:

[soundwave]

Berry's Bullets
www.berrysmfg.com (http://www.berrysmfg.com)

Bullet: 124 grain FP electro plated

Description: Berry's Preferred Plated bullets begin as a swaged lead core. The plating process works through electrolysis. The swaged lead cores are tumbled in an electrically charged cyanide bath containing high-grade copper ingots. The copper clings to the lead and the longer the bullets remain in the bath, the thicker the plating. Our bullets are plated to the correct size and then taken out of the bath.

Cost: $76.00 per (1000) 124 gr FP delivered at www.tjconevera.com (http://www.tjconevera.com)

Measurements: see below

Notes: All loads below fired from stock Glock 19.

Load 1
5.0gr WSF
CCI spp
mixed brass
1.050"
Results - Very accurate with moderate recoil. Last round not feeding from each mag though. Flat point getting caught at the bottom of the feed ramp. *Update* Tested other OAL's, non fed the last round. Looking into different mag followers.

Load 2
4.8gr WSF
CCI spp
mixed brass
1.050"
Results - Worked well in match shooting. Softer recoil than 5.0gr load and still accurate.

Load 3
4.5gr 231
CCI sp
mixwd brass
1.050"
Results - Very accurate load with light recoil. This will be my USPSA load for now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/Berrys124_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/Berrys124_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/Berrys124_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/Berrys124_4.jpg

[soundwave]

Precision Bullets
www.precisionbullets.com (http://www.precisionbullets.com)

Bullet: 125 grain TC

Description: Precision Bullets are swaged with certified 6/2 lead alloy. Then a dry-lube formula is applied. This process completely encases the precision lead core. PB claims that these dry-lube covered bullets can safely reach speeds of 2000 FPS with no barrel fouling.

Cost: $67.00 per (1000) 125 gr TC delivered

Measurements: see below

Notes: All loads below fired from stock Glock 19.

Load 1
4.8gr WSF
CCI spp
mixed brass
OAL 1.100"
Results - very accurate, had one Failure to feed in 30 rounds. Taking OAL down to 1.085" to remedy. *Update* 1.085" functioned 100%

Load 2
4.4gr 231
CCI spp
mixed brass
OAL 1.085"
Results - Decent accuracy, very light recoil. Slight leading in barrel.

Load 3
4.7gr 231
CCI spp
mixed brass
OAL 1.085"
Results - Good Accuracy. Light-moderate recoil. Low leading in barrel.

Load 4
4.0gr 231
CCI spp
mixed brass
OAL 1.080"
Results - A+ Accuracy. Recoil barely there. Great USPSA load.

Pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2816.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2819.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2820.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2822.jpg

[soundwave]

Bump, don't want to let this data fade into the badlands of GP.

Slick, acan we sticky until we get a data base system up?\

Thanks to all who have contributed.

[BigSlick]

It's at da programmers right now.

I jus got back in yesterday so I a hafta call em durin business hours

Gotta whole bunch a stuff goin up

I ain't tested da DB yet, but I give em pretty detailed instructions, so if they hosed it up, they a just hafta re-do it.

They been pretty good so fat though, so I'm expectin somethin nice.

Then all I gotta do is create a DB an upload it.

But, it second on da list behind some other stuff dat a help all of us a lil bit more at present.

I ain't forgot, an I ain't done.

But, I a sticky this so it a keep current so we get a good result outta da box in case I missed anythang

[soundwave]

It's at da programmers right now.

I jus got back in yesterday so I a hafta call em durin business hours

Gotta whole bunch a stuff goin up

I ain't tested da DB yet, but I give em pretty detailed instructions, so if they hosed it up, they a just hafta re-do it.

They been pretty good so fat though, so I'm expectin somethin nice.

Then all I gotta do is create a DB an upload it.

But, it second on da list behind some other stuff dat a help all of us a lil bit more at present.

I ain't forgot, an I ain't done.

But, I a sticky this so it a keep current so we get a good result outta da box in case I missed anythang

Thank you Slick! :seeya:

[soundwave]

Berry's Bullets
www.berrysmfg.com (http://www.berrysmfg.com)

Bullet: 124 grain RN electro plated - Double Struck

Description: Berry's Preferred Plated bullets begin as a swaged lead core. The plating process works through electrolysis. The swaged lead cores are tumbled in an electrically charged cyanide bath containing high-grade copper ingots. The copper clings to the lead and the longer the bullets remain in the bath, the thicker the plating. Our bullets are plated to the correct size and then taken out of the bath.

Cost: $78.00 per (1000) 124 gr RN DS delivered at www.tjconevera.com (http://www.tjconevera.com)

Measurements: see below

Notes:

Load 1
4.0gr 231
CCI spp
mixed brass
OAL 1.125"
Results - A+ accuracy, mild recoil. 100% feeding in G19 mags.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2885.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2888.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2886.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_2887.jpg

[Frostback]

Here are some Winchester 147gr silvertips. 1.145" OAL over 5.1gr of VV 3N37 in a nickel Winchester case. Just because. No real point for 'em up here, but they seem to stop paper men just fine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/9x19/2008_06220062.jpg

Frosty

[soundwave]

Here are some Winchester 147gr silvertips. 1.145" OAL over 5.1gr of VV 3N37 in a nickel Winchester case. Just because. No real point for 'em up here, but they seem to stop paper men just fine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/9x19/2008_06220062.jpg

Frosty

Those are bringing sexy back :thumbsup:

[gwalchmai]

Might I make a suggestion?

Why not get one guy who's a good photographer and everyone send him a bullet? Then he could photograph 'em with consistent lighting and exposure and a good scale. That way it'd make comparisons easier. I have quite a few examples but am a lousy pitchertaker. (And I want my bullets back, lead hos!)

[soundwave]

Montana Gold Bullet
www.montanagoldbullet.com (http://www.montanagoldbullet.com)

Bullet: 124gr CMJ

Description: CMJ (Complete Metal Jacketed) bullet, base lead covered with copper plug (see picture).

Cost: $279.00 per case (3750)

Measurements: see below

Notes:

Load 1:

124gr CMJ
4.6-4.7 gr. W231
mixed brass
CCI spp
OAL: 1.125"
Chronoed on 10.18.08 @ 1090fps average of 4 shots.

Pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_3031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_3032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_3033.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/krelin3/Glock%20Post/100_3035.jpg

[Crazy4nitro]

Montana Gold Bullets are just Damn Sexy.

'Nitro

[New]

Might I make a suggestion?

Why not get one guy who's a good photographer and everyone send him a bullet? Then he could photograph 'em with consistent lighting and exposure and a good scale. That way it'd make comparisons easier. I have quite a few examples but am a lousy pitchertaker. (And I want my bullets back, lead hos!)

I am going to be the first one to vote for Soundwave to take the pictures.

Soundwave, PM me your address and I will send you a few to post.

[soundwave]

I am going to be the first one to vote for Soundwave to take the pictures.

Soundwave, PM me your address and I will send you a few to post.


You got it!