Powder Valley

[RustyFN]

I don't want it to sound like I'm contributing to the panic buying because I sure don't want to. I thought this was very strange. Powder Valley stopped selling primers. Anybody talk to them and have any info. I tried to call but they were closed.

[MullahElRon]

Hard to sell what you ain't got.

[cohutt]

Sorry, my shipment to them to restock got out late.

They should put them back on in the next few days.

[NewWave]

Who do you work for cohutt ? Can we buy primers from you ? Does your company sell to the general public or just resellers ? I've been having a hard time finding primers around my area. I could sure use a couple of boxes of large pistol primers

[AdamN]

Cohutt's just messin around, where you located NewWave, I got some extra LP if youre local to me.

[MakeMineaP99]

Yeah, if you're in IN/MI I might be able to find you some primers.

[cohutt]

the GP voice of reason AdamN has correctly flushed me out as a poser.

But if you are in a bad way and local to me I'd be happy to spot you some to get you through as well..

[RustyFN]

Hard to sell what you ain't got.
I realize that but I was surprised to see that they removed them from the web site so you can't even backorder.

[TowsonTiger22]

It's probably cause they're soo far backordered, they don't want people to waste they're time waitin.

[NewWave]

I'm in the Texas panhandle, long ways from Ohio, but I really appreciate the thought.

[AdamN]

I imagine it got a little overwhelming managing backorders when word got out.

Places like Midway still show the item on a lot of stuff but wont allow a backorder.

[NewWave]

the GP voice of reason AdamN has correctly flushed me out as a poser.

But if you are in a bad way and local to me I'd be happy to spot you some to get you through as well..

I should have realized Kitco is just a metals company, sorry, I missed that.

But thanks for the offer, I've got enough to last another month or so, I hope by then I can find another few hundred

[AdamN]

NewWave you may be able to track down someone local.

Some of us here tend to "stock up" I bought a bunch in 2007 just to save on the Hazmat fee, all this mess with stuff being hard to get really makes me glad I got what I did.

[NewWave]

The gun shops in this area get a few in but not many and they go fast. The price is up over 6.00 a hundred now, so I'm thinking about buying a whole thousand next time to get a quantity discount if I can. If you buy a thousand, you get the whole pack for 52.00 plus tax. Not a real big savings but every bit helps. Maybe I can punch my CRB card the first time buying in bulk like that.

[cohutt]

When my severe primer paranoia hit the prices were very comfortably under $20/1000 shipped and my investment portfolio was flush.

Seriously Rusty (and alank since you both posted threads about this 1 minute apart) i noticed the threads on AR15.com too.

There is a limit to backorders, especially since they have to hold to CC info until shipment and once (if) primers come back into decent supply a lot of these panicked purchases will cancel.
Only way to stop backorder purchases is to take the page off the site for a while.

I'm bet you a whole dollar they post an explanation shortly on their homepage.

[MakeMineaP99]

When my severe primer paranoia hit the prices were very comfortably under $20/1000 shipped and my investment portfolio was flush.

Me too, except I'm just a poor kid from upstate NY.

I'm really kicking around the idea of tooling up to make primers. The stamping ain't that hard, if I just knew more about the priming compound I would do it. Then all I would have to buy is powder. How's that for being CRB?

[JLarsson]

Me too, except I'm just a poor kid from upstate NY.

I'm really kicking around the idea of tooling up to make primers. The stamping ain't that hard, if I just knew more about the priming compound I would do it. Then all I would have to buy is powder. How's that for being CRB?

I'm betting uniformity and consistency ARE that hard, but that'd just be a guess.

You're gonna have to hire a 5th-grader to put the anvils in the cups for you. :D Can you imagine having to do that by hand? Are they put in while the priming compound is still wet? Is that what holds them in?

[MakeMineaP99]

It's not unheard of to be able to hold a tenth in a stamping process. For example, Al pop and beer cans are stamped to a tenth.

I happened to know a P.E. with a background in stamping. I also happen to know a tool and die maker or two. Now I just need a chemist and a 5th grader.

[Oreo]

I think you're going to have to look into an explosives license of some sort for that Dan. Making primers is REALLY friggin dangerous from what I understand. Even if you mix priming compound in small ammounts- say 1/2 cup at a time you're still dealing with 1/2 cup of high-explosive. You like juggling hand grenades?

[MakeMineaP99]

If you'd be looking to do it commercially, you would need an FFL 06 or 07. I'm not up on the explosive regs, so I couldn't tell you.

The mechanical design of the primer is the easy part, I haven't really done much research into priming compound.

[TowsonTiger22]

Unfortunately, since I can't find any components, I have to buy some factory .223.

[JLarsson]

It's not unheard of to be able to hold a tenth in a stamping process. For example, Al pop and beer cans are stamped to a tenth.

I happened to know a P.E. with a background in stamping. I also happen to know a tool and die maker or two. Now I just need a chemist and a 5th grader.

Actually, I was thinking consistency and uniformity of priming compound and (especially) application of priming compound.

But yeah - the stamping would need to be as well.

You actually do this, and it really works, I'll buy you dinner, man. :thumbsup:

[MONTEGOD7SS]

There is a certain binary exploding target that is made up of ammonium nitrate, ammonium perchlorate, 600 mesh powdered aluminum, 325 mesh titanium sponge, and 200 mesh zirconium hydroxide. I imagine something similar to this could be made to work.

[cohutt]

Dan,

No kidding, if you want to do something with a punch make gas checks. Other than you bidness associates at Hornady, the "gatorchecks" guy on cast boolits is the only one making them I've heard of. Check CB, they're carping about none being around

[NewWave]

Gas checks would be a good thing to make. I haven't seen any available in ages.

[mark l miller]

New Wave,
Where are you in the Panhandle? I am in Lubbock & would sell you 1k win Large Pistol for what I paid two years ago more or less. I don't want to sell more than that but bring $20 & 1k are yours. I've got enough to last me a while. The guys up north aren't going to be the only ones helping fellow shooters out. :-) contact me through the website or email if you are anywhere near here.
MLM

[NewWave]

I'm up near Texline, right on the border. Lubbock is about four and a half hours south of here. If I get down that way I will send you an email. Thank you guys for trying to help out. I'm going to go to the gunshop in Dalhart next week and see if they have a few in the big city. Last time I went down there was four years ago and the gunshop there had all kinds of powder and primers. I need some gas checks too now that I think about it.

[MakeMineaP99]

Cohutt, spot on man!

Scrap primers. Gas checks here I come.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Heck yeah, gas checks really make casting more expensive, so if you could get some competition in the market it might drive prices down a little. Basically they are as expensive as primers, so it adds up on ya.

[MakeMineaP99]

I have a strategy meeting next week for where I'm going take the skunkworks. Hmm. Hmm.

[JLarsson]

You going to be able to make those in crimp-on?

[RustyFN]

I called PV and was told that when they get primers to sell then they will list them on the web site.

[MakeMineaP99]

You going to be able to make those in crimp-on?

That's the plan. I spoke with a metal stamping expert today, only way to make this profitable is to run 25-50 punch concurrently and turn these out by the barrel full.

[MONTEGOD7SS]

Go big or go home, that's really the only way to make money at anything ain't it? You wouldn't even have to undercut the other two, just give people another option for in stock merchandise.

[BigSlick]

I could use some for damn sure.