Picked up my new Bullseye 1911

[cvann]

Finished the transfer last night for my Masaki Les Baer.

- slide to frame fit is amazing. It glides the full range of motion like it's on ball bearings (with zero slop).
- barrel has a slight cone cut on the end with the bushing cut to match profile.
- UltraDot slide mount allows lighter springs due to increased slide mass.
- I am now much more opinionated about triggers after shooting this thing - makes my Kimbers feel like crap.

Pictures to come tonight or tomorrow.

[AdamN]

You will be spoiled now, you got a quality 1911. I lost count of how many dudes at the range askin about bullseye guns,

I just hand them mine and tell them to rack the slide one time, they usually just say WOW.

Triggers can be a personal thing but most guys really like Ed's

[cvann]

Adam, what weight springs do you use? Recoil and Mainspring feel REALLY light compared to my other other 1911's....

[AdamN]

Mainspring is 17 or 18lbs, recoil spring on my gun is 14lbs, with a slide mounted Ultradot.

I think its a little heavier than the norm. I run a pretty stout load for bullseye, plus Ive lightened my slide a bit so that allows it to cycle with a heavier spring.

The slide mounted dots usually dictate a lighter spring than normal with all the exrtra weight on the slide.

If your brass is ejecting 5 or 6 feet you could probably go to a heavier recoil spring, if the slide fails to lock back on the last round then you need something a little lighter.

[jtrade]

:ttiwwop:

[ede]

being a race gun shooter i don't understand why you'd mount the dot on the slide. as a rule with the race guns you want less slide mass and more slide speed.

[cvann]

being a race gun shooter i don't understand why you'd mount the dot on the slide. as a rule with the race guns you want less slide mass and more slide speed.

Bullseye guns are made for accuracy, not speed. We shoot one handed 25 and 50 yards.

[AdamN]

Ede its really just personal choice on the dot mount. Some feel that the slide mount will hold the accuracy over time better.

Basicly as you get a little wear in all the parts the lockup on the gun will be a little less consistent, a slide mounted dot will stay in relationship to the barrel/slide where as the frame mounted will stay mounted to the frame.

In the end I havent seen a shooter yet that can take advantage of any difference.

Ive tried both and it really didnt matter to me, the slide mounted setups tend to be mounted a little lower and seem a little less top heavy.

Its really whatever the guy likes best

[cvann]

Okay, here's the pics...

In the barrel pic, you can see at the end that it wasn't milled down as far. Starts off .010 bigger at the ledge and then progressively comes out another .010.

Off to the range today to group it. More pics later.

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[jtrade]

That is a nice looking 1911!!!!

Let us know how she shoots!!!!

J

[AdamN]

Nice Cvann, nice short trigger like I prefer;)

BTW; Its good to see another Bullseye shooter :thumbsup:

[GLShooter]

Bullseye guns are made for accuracy, not speed. We shoot one handed 25 and 50 yards.

I shoot IPSC and BE. My IPSC pistols will do an inch at fifty but since they are shot fast I suppose that makes a difference?:68:

My IPSC race gun has a side mount like most of them do but my BE pistol is iron sights. I would not hesitate to use my IPSC pistol in CH BE competition. It runs and 11 pound spring with full house major 9X21 loads.

My BE pistol is also used in PPC competition as no optics are allowed in that sport. It seems to shoot pretty well with one or two hands. It is pressed into service as my single stack pistol in IPSC matches also.

Greg

PS: To the OP. That is one nice looking pistol. You are now officially SPOILED!! -- G.

[AdamN]

GL a lot of guys are going to 9mm in centerfire. As more smiths were building guns and finding the accuracy potential of 9mm it has gained in popularity.

If I had the cash to drop on a centerfire specific gun it would be a single stack 1911 in 9mm.

Ill plug along with the 45 till then ;)

[GLShooter]

GL a lot of guys are going to 9mm in centerfire. As more smiths were building guns and finding the accuracy potential of 9mm it has gained in popularity.

If I had the cash to drop on a centerfire specific gun it would be a single stack 1911 in 9mm.

Ill plug along with the 45 till then ;)

I understand the $$ deal!! I want to build a 9 MM PPC pistol and may yet do that as it would double for a BE gun without any problem.

I use Nowlin barrels in my 9X21's and they are fantastic with jacketed or lead bullets.

I also have considered doing a 38/45 just for grins and trying it out at a local BE league here in Phoenix as it would just take a barrel swap and some fitting.

Greg L.

[MakeMineaP99]

Why do you use 9x21 over 9x19? The x21 was to get around gun control laws overseas; is it really that more accurate?

[AdamN]

A lot of guys use 9X21 to make major with fewer issues (more powder capacity) More so before the whole "major 9" issue was sorted out

[ede]

use to be USPSA had either a minimum case length or OAL for major.

rereading this one thing that has me confused is you say mounting the optic on the slide increases slide mass, that i can believe, but then you say that allows you to run a lighter spring. that seems ass backwards to my way of thinking.

[AdamN]

rereading this one thing that has me confused is you say mounting the optic on the slide increases slide mass, that i can believe, but then you say that allows you to run a lighter spring. that seems ass backwards to my way of thinking.

Ok, Say you have a 1911, 45, with no optics, just a plain slide, and youre running a load that just barely cycles the slide to where its reliable.

Now take that gun and mount a dot on the slide, increasing the slide mass, it will take more energy to recoil the slide now if you dont change anything else.

To get 100% function you would need to go to a lighter spring or increase the load.

Now what Ive been playing with is decreasing the slide mass where possible and still run a slide mounted optic, Ive milled a lot of the mass off my slide and using the same load went from a 11 pound spring to a 14 pound spring.


In theory that should hold the gun in lockup a little tighter. I dont know if its something that matters a whole lot but I get some funny looks with my swiss cheese slide:)

[GLShooter]

Why do you use 9x21 over 9x19? The x21 was to get around gun control laws overseas; is it really that more accurate?

Quite simply because it makes major and doesn't break a sweat. One other item is that it is a truly rimless case unlike the 38 Super and stacks better in the mags.

Brass life shooting my 160 RNL at 170,000 PF is unreal using Starline brass. I have a bunch that you cannot read the head stamp on and it is still going strong. You can't stick that big a bullet in a 9X19 case and not worry a tad about pressures.

I am still leery of 9MM Major but with a supported chamber the guys are doing OK. I'll just chug along "old school" and keep looking for "A's"

Greg

[MakeMineaP99]

Now what Ive been playing with is decreasing the slide mass where possible and still run a slide mounted optic, Ive milled a lot of the mass off my slide and using the same load went from a 11 pound spring to a 14 pound spring.




Ah, a simple mass spring system from engineering school. Should be a simple matter of running the Diffy Qs to optimize your mass and spring if you really want to go that far with it.

[GLShooter]

use to be USPSA had either a minimum case length or OAL for major.

rereading this one thing that has me confused is you say mounting the optic on the slide increases slide mass, that i can believe, but then you say that allows you to run a lighter spring. that seems ass backwards to my way of thinking.

The old rule was you could not make major with any 9X19. Plain and simple. Smith & Wesson then came out with the 356 JLE for Tommy Gun Watson to shoot. JLE stood for Just Long Enough It was about 9X20.

Then they started talking that you had to use a supported barrel and that went away. At this time to make major you must shoot at least a 112 grain bullet for a PF of 165,000 in Open class. In Limited they require at least a 40 caliber bullet.

In REVOLVER at one time you could not shoot 38 Special Major. I cut down 500 357's and made my own 38 JLE's!! They now allow 38 Special Major. I shot 38 Special Major and won three USPSA National revolver titles in a 5" comped custom L Frame back when revolvers shot revolver even if they had a comp on them. My other three were won with a comped bull barrel 25-2 with a full Aristocrat rib.

Greg L.